Dear all,
I have a 95 Rover 1.3i Mini Cooper. Its rubber cone springs are now dying
and the car has lowered to a level that it always has its bottom scratched
while going up ramps or passing speed bumps. A Mini mechanic told me that
Hi-Los should also be installed together with the new rubber cones,
otherwise the car will be raised to an unacceptably high level by the new
cones after the replacement. Is this true ? Can I just replace the dead
cones with new cones without installing Hi-Los ?
Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Tony
Graham W - 26 Jan 2004 14:34 GMT
> I have a 95 Rover 1.3i Mini Cooper. Its rubber cone springs are now
> dying and the car has lowered to a level that it always has its bottom
> scratched while going up ramps or passing speed bumps.
Cones have squashed. They do this over time, apparently the newer ones
are worse for it too.
> A Mini mechanic told me that Hi-Los should also be installed together
> with the new rubber cones, otherwise the car will be raised to an
> unacceptably high level by the new cones after the replacement.
> Is this true ?
Put new cones in and (assuming nothing else is worn, reducing the ride
height) it will sit at the height it did in the showroom when it was
new.
I can't see how anyone could describe the original design intent as
"unnacceptably high".
> Can I just replace the dead cones with new cones without installing
> Hi-Los ?
Of course you can.
> Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Hi-Los will allow you to disguise the problem of sagged cones, but it
doesn't actually fix the problem. If all you want is normal suspension
at the normal height, just buy a pair of normal cones and have them
fitted.
Kelley Mascher - 26 Jan 2004 17:38 GMT
Your mechanic is correct about the initial set of the cones but in the
long term the Hi-Los aren't necessary.
Anytime you change or remove/replace cones the ride height will be
higher than it was before the change. Once the parts work into place
the ride will drop a bit. I usually allow about 3/4" but it's hard to
predict. This initial settling doesn't take long maybe a week or two,
or a few hundred miles. Rough roads will settle it faster.
New cones also have a secondary settling called creep. This is a
movement of the rubber itself as it takes a set under the pressure of
the weight of the car. This takes longer. If you look a pictures of
Minis in a dealer showroom they always look like the ride height is
too high. Alex Moulton's original tests showed that the inital creep
settled out after about 400,000 cycles and then changed by about half
the initial amount over the next 40,000,000 cycles. These tests were
done on an automated test apparatus running continously over a period
of three years until the cone failed.
Personally, I would have the Hi-Los installed along with the new
cones. Hi-Los make the installation of the new cones a bit easier and
should save you some money on labor. In the long term it will make
trimming the ride height much easier and enhance the value of the car.
Cheers,
Kelley
>Dear all,
>I have a 95 Rover 1.3i Mini Cooper. Its rubber cone springs are now dying
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>Tony
chris - 26 Jan 2004 21:41 GMT
It wouldn't do any harm to fit hi-lo's to your car while fitting new cones.
I fitted hi-lo's to the rear of my year 2000/X mini seven then levelled the
car out so the back wasn't as high as the front. Looked much better.
I would strongly advise that you also fit new knuckle joints to your car
while fitting new rubber cones, regardless of the apparant condition of the
ones on your car. They are cheap, ?4-5 each?. But the labour to fit them
(esp on their own) is huge. Fitting them while having the cones done will
add 5-15mins to the whole job, max - depending on how hard the old ones are
to remove.
Sorry to point out something obvious if you've already allowed for it!!!
;-)
chris
> Dear all,
> I have a 95 Rover 1.3i Mini Cooper. Its rubber cone springs are now dying
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>
> Tony
Tony Yip - 30 Jan 2004 15:06 GMT
Thanks everyone for all your advice. If I really want to install a set of
Hi-Los to my Mini, any recommendation on which brand (if there are different
brands) is good ? Is Mini Sport's Adjusta-Ride the same as Hi-Los ?
Thanks again.
Tony
> It wouldn't do any harm to fit hi-lo's to your car while fitting new cones.
> I fitted hi-lo's to the rear of my year 2000/X mini seven then levelled the
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> > Tony
fred.braconnier - 31 Jan 2004 10:27 GMT
slt ca va ,,,,,!:;;!:!
> Thanks everyone for all your advice. If I really want to install a set of
> Hi-Los to my Mini, any recommendation on which brand (if there are different
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> > > Tony
chris - 02 Feb 2004 19:32 GMT
I got my Hi-lo's from minispares in potters bar. I also got the knuckle
joints there (and the adj spax, uprated tie bars, uprated bushes etc etc
;-) )
chris
> Thanks everyone for all your advice. If I really want to install a set of
> Hi-Los to my Mini, any recommendation on which brand (if there are different
> brands) is good ? Is Mini Sport's Adjusta-Ride the same as Hi-Los ?
>
> Thanks again.
> Tony