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Car Forum / MINI / March 2004Indicator problems
Hi, Having problems with the indicators on my 1989 mini 1000, they have been intermittent for a short while and have now stopped all together. I've checked the fuses, cleaned the indicator switch, and all the connections I can find. But they still don't work, any ideas which wire coming into the indicator switch is supposed to be the live feed - its green and something I know that much. I'm now at a loss at what else to check. Hazard lights flash ok (though they might be on a different circuit.) Any suggestions would be appreciated. Graeme Try another hazard switch. The live feed for the indicators comes through the hazard switch 1st. Check for 12V on one of the wires going to it in connector block on loom. If there is then live feed is okay. Push hazard switch half onto its connector block. When hazards are off, you should get two pins with 12v (showing that hazard switch is feeding 12v to indicator circuit). Seeing as your hazards do work then live feed *should* be ok. Next in line after hazard switch in 'indicator' circuit is indicator stalk on steering column Try a known good one. chris > Hi, > Having problems with the indicators on my 1989 mini 1000, they have been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Graeme Given that they were intermittant and deteriorated, I wouldn't rule out a bad earth. The area around the lights at the front tends to rust and there's only a single screw for each indicator unit to earth the lights to the body of the car. Cleaning up this cotact cured my indicator woes in the past. A new indicator unit is very cheap anyway, but I'd check your contacts at the front too. Best regards Will > Try another hazard switch. The live feed for the indicators comes through > the hazard switch 1st. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Graeme Have you been playing with the hazards? The hazards cut off the indicators so if it doesn't switch off properly you get no indicators. Try putting your hazards on and off again. If it doesn't work, take the switch to pieces and put it back together again. See if that fixes it. The Muffin Man > Try another hazard switch. The live feed for the indicators comes through > the hazard switch 1st. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Graeme > Having problems with the indicators on my 1989 mini 1000, they have been > intermittent for a short while and have now stopped all together. I've > checked the fuses, cleaned the indicator switch, and all the connections > I can find. But they still don't work, any ideas which wire coming into > the indicator switch is supposed to be the live feed - its green and > something I know that much. I'm now at a loss at what else to check. Flasher can (indicator relay). > Hazard lights flash ok (though they might be on a different circuit.) Hazard lights on most cars have a seperate flasher can (relay). > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Graeme Suggest you spell your name correctly. Graham. 8-) what else to check. > Flasher can (indicator relay). > > Hazard lights flash ok (though they might be on a different circuit.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Suggest you spell your name correctly. > Graham. Stop starting.... Graeme > Flasher can (indicator relay). I think I could do with replacing mine as well. But where is the blasted thing? H > > Flasher can (indicator relay). > I think I could do with replacing mine as well. But where is the blasted > thing? In a Moke, reach up under the speedo housing, just left of centre. In a hardtop alternative Moke mechanicals attachment set (Mini) it could be almost anywhere. >>>Flasher can (indicator relay). > >>I think I could do with replacing mine as well. But where is the blasted >>thing? > In a Mini it could be almost anywhere. All my fears come true. Grr. Okay, much better question: What am I looking for? How big is this device? How many cables run to it? Are these cables colour-coded? Is it likely to be in the engine room, or in the dash somewhere? h > >>>Flasher can (indicator relay). > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > h If you have a Mini with the instruments in front of the driver, rather than the centre speedo, it will be behind these. Reach up from under the shelf to the right of the steering column. It will be mounted on the inside of the instrument mounting bracket. You are looking (or feeling!) for a round can about 1.25" diameter with 2 wires attached. If you are lucky Rover have left enough length in the wires to lower it down and se what you are doing!  SignatureRgds Steve steve@dsnclassics.co.uk www.dsnclassics.co.uk > >>>Flasher can (indicator relay). > >>I think I could do with replacing mine as well. But where is the > >>blasted thing? > > In a Mini it could be almost anywhere. > All my fears come true. Grr. Typically it's either in the dashboard area or under the bonnet near the firewall. > Okay, much better question: What am I looking for? How big is this > device? It's a cylinderical relay about an inch in diameter and betweern one and two inches long. (Length varies within about this range.) > How many cables run to it? Most modern cars have two wires, most older cars, including Minis have three. > Are these cables colour-coded? But of course. One of them will be dark green, since it is the positive supply after a fuse from the ignition switch. At least one of the other two is probably also dark green, with a trace line of a different colour. > Is it likely to be in the engine room, or in the dash somewhere? Yes. One or other. Sorry if that doesn't seem very helpful! > Yes. One or other. Sorry if that doesn't seem very helpful! No worries, I will find the little bugger eventually. Just one last question: The thing that goes click-click-click when a blinker is in action - that is the sound of the relay, yes? couldn't I, at least in theory, just turn my blinker on and follow the sound? Or is that a daft idea? I have noticed that on my Cooper, the blinky sound is absent from inside the car, but you can just hear it when the engine isn't running - I guess it must be in the engine room somewhere. Noticed that my hazards are buggered as well - they do nothing at all. Haven't investigated yet, though, so it might just be that the switch isn't connected properly or whatever. I take it the hazards relay is a different one from the regular blinker relay? But it would be of the same type, yes? H > No worries, Are you sure you're Dutch and not Aussie? > I will find the little bugger eventually. 8-) > Just one last question: The thing that goes click-click-click when a > blinker is in action - that is the sound of the relay, yes? couldn't I, > at least in theory, just turn my blinker on and follow the sound? Or is > that a daft idea? It's a good idea that presupposes the existing relay is still working..... > I have noticed that on my Cooper, the blinky sound is absent from inside > the car, but you can just hear it when the engine isn't running - I > guess it must be in the engine room somewhere. > Noticed that my hazards are buggered as well - they do nothing at all. > Haven't investigated yet, though, so it might just be that the switch > isn't connected properly or whatever. I take it the hazards relay is a > different one from the regular blinker relay? But it would be of the > same type, yes? Many (but certainly not all) cars have a separate hazard light relay. I haven't seen a Mini with hazards, but from what I've read here, I get he impression that the switch is a bit of a kludge to work with minimum modification to the previous wiring loom design, and may be prone to problems. > Are you sure you're Dutch and not Aussie? I am a dutchman who has lived in Norway for 14 years, the USA 1 year, the UK 3 years, and my sister lives in Brisbane. So if I have an accent or oddities in my writing, good luck pinpointing them ;) > Many (but certainly not all) cars have a separate hazard light relay. I > haven't seen a Mini with hazards, but from what I've read here, I get he > impression that the switch is a bit of a kludge to work with minimum > modification to the previous wiring loom design, and may be prone to > problems. Well, that is a point to my favour then, as it has the original wiring and stuff. I'll go digging around for a bit, to see if I find the culprit(s) Thanks, graham, mate, you're a star! If I ever see you, like, I'll get you a stubby or four ;) h Thanks for all the hints/tips - found the fault to be a combination of faulty flasher relay and switch. So me changing them both at different times did not solve the problem, only when I changed both of them did the fault rectify - typical. Graeme |
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