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Car Forum / MINI / May 2004

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Alloy Wheels and Offset Help (have searched this group without finding an answer)

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B. - 18 May 2004 09:48 GMT
I'm looking for offset values for standard Austin/Rover 12" mini
alloys but I'm having problems finding anything. There are lots of
sites which show types of mini wheels but little on the technical
spec.

If anyone has a Standard wheel kicking around (late 80's standard
steel or later minilite style) that they can take a measuring tape to
that would be really great.

It would seem that some wheel manufacturers measure offset as the
distance the wheel's hub mating surface is from the centre of the rim,
which can be negative or positive. Alternatively, it is quoted as the
distance the mating surface is from a block of wood placed squarely
across the back rim edge.

I don't mind either way but I would also need to know the wheel width
if the first method is used.

Although I am looking for a standard 12" wheel (if not sure of origin
please do not quote as standard as I will start to get confused),
there may be others who would gain something if offsets for other mini
wheels are given if known

Cheers,
B.
Lock Horsburgh - 18 May 2004 10:39 GMT
> I'm looking for offset values for standard Austin/Rover 12" mini
> alloys but I'm having problems finding anything. There are lots of
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> Cheers,
> B.

The "offset" is the difference between the centre line of the wheel and the
back of the hub, or the mating surface as you call it.
The distance from the back of the hub to the straight edge across the inner
rim is NOT the offset, but I have heard it called the "rear depth" or the "T
dimension".

I have here a mid 1980s ARG factory Mayfair alloy, part number NAM6071.
It is marked 4.50B x 12 x 33, suggesting that the offset might be 33mm.

I just measured the T dimension as 104 mm.

This is a 4.5 inch wheel, but that is the inside width of the channel that
the tyre sits in. The wheel has a tyre on it, which makes it hard to measure
the outside width accurately, but as a rule the outside width of an alloy
wheel is about 1 inch more, so we just add an inch.

If the outside width is 5.5 inches, and 1 inch = 25.45mm, the width is 140mm
, and the centre line of the wheel will be 70mm from the back edge.

The T dimension or rear depth was measured as 104mm.

Offset is centre line minus depth, i.e. 70 - 104 = -34,
so we have calculated the offset as -34 mm.

Which is pretty close to 33, and suggests that my guesstimate at the total
width - just add an inch - is out by one ot two mm.

So we conclude these wheels have a negative offset of 33mm.

Lock
Lock Horsburgh - 18 May 2004 11:19 GMT
> > I'm looking for offset values for standard Austin/Rover 12" mini
> > alloys but I'm having problems finding anything. There are lots of
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>
> Lock

And another thing: as an afterthought, I measured two other wheels.

5x12 GB minilite style
assume outside width = 6" = 153mm
so centre line = 76mm
T = 95
Offset = 76 - 95 = 19mm.

5.5x13 Carmona minilite style
No tyre, outside width measures as 161mm (about 6 and 3/8")
centre line = 80
T = 98
Offset = 80 - 98 = 18.

Wheels wider than these would require less negative offset.
The T dimension (depth) cannot be much greater without fouling on the radius
arms and shockers, so the T stays the same as the width increases, therefore
less offset. In other words, wider wheels stick out more, they don't stick
in more.

Lock
Steve - 18 May 2004 16:26 GMT
> Which is pretty close to 33, and suggests that my guesstimate at the total
> width - just add an inch - is out by one ot two mm.
>
> So we conclude these wheels have a negative offset of 33mm.
>
> Lock

I would suspect that a standard wheel has positive offset.
Positive is 'inset'. Centreline of wheel is inboard of hub face.
Negative is 'outset'. Centreline of wheel is outboard of hub face.
Not important, but just for information!

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Steve
steve@dsnclassics.co.uk
www.dsnclassics.co.uk

Lock Horsburgh - 19 May 2004 10:28 GMT
> > Which is pretty close to 33, and suggests that my guesstimate at the total
> > width - just add an inch - is out by one ot two mm.
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> Negative is 'outset'. Centreline of wheel is outboard of hub face.
> Not important, but just for information!

I could be wrong but I think it's the other way round, positive offset is
stickyoutness (deep outside like Starsky and Hutch Mobile), negative offset
is sticks inward.
E.g. FWD Vauxhalls and Opels are nearly all 49mm negative, the outer rim is
just about in line with the wheel nuts, and Mk1 & 2 Golf GTi have 38mm
negative - the T is over 5" on a 5.5" wheel.

The original 3.5x10 mini wheel for drum brakes is probably positive offset,
but I don't have one handy to measure.

Lock
Steve - 20 May 2004 17:30 GMT
> > I would suspect that a standard wheel has positive offset.
> > Positive is 'inset'. Centreline of wheel is inboard of hub face.
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>
> Lock

Not according to all the alloy wheels we keep in stock! As an example, our
deep dish (stickyouty ones!) are -7mm and the more inset ones are +10mm.
Both are 7x13.

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Rgds
Steve
steve@dsnclassics.co.uk
www.dsnclassics.co.uk

 
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