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Car Forum / Mitsubishi Cars / November 2005

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4G63 engine noise in eclipse 94', help needed

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kubamtx - 10 Nov 2005 23:44 GMT
Hello
sorry for my english at start
I've got Mitsubishi Eclipse GS from 1994, it has 150tys km done and the
engine sound is strange. It's ticking when cold on low revs but that's
not a problem. The problem is that is sounds bad over 4800 revs , and
it accelerates good from 2500 to 5000 revs and not so good over 5000. I
know that maximum torque is in 5500 revs and maximum power on about
6600revs. I don't know why it sunds like french 1,4 litre 8 valve
engine revd over 6000. And why it goes poor over 5000? Mayby you can
help??
Nobody U. Know - 11 Nov 2005 03:17 GMT
It sounds like a stuck lifter or a bad valve. You can remove the valve cover
and watch/listen to see. I had a similar issue with the 2G. It was actually
a rocker arm that fell off after an over-rev.

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> Hello
> sorry for my english at start
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> engine revd over 6000. And why it goes poor over 5000? Mayby you can
> help??
kubamtx - 11 Nov 2005 09:13 GMT
So today I'll remove valve cover and check everything. Mayby it's good
idea to check the compression??
Nobody U. Know - 11 Nov 2005 14:20 GMT
Compression wont be down if you have a stuck valve, rocker arm off, or a
collaped lifter. It wasn't in my case and two others with the same problem.

The valve cover has around a dozen 10 mm bolts with 7 ft-pounds of torque on
them. It takes about 5 minutes to remove. In my case the rocker arm was
quite obvious and took about 5 seconds to put back into place. 15 minutes of
work to get power and gas mileage back was well worth it in my opinion.
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> So today I'll remove valve cover and check everything. Mayby it's good
> idea to check the compression??
kubamtx - 12 Nov 2005 18:17 GMT
I've checked rocker arms and everything is ok with them. I've also
chenged spark plugs and now power and culture is better on revs lower
than 5500. Over 5500 acceleration is poor and engine is loud. Mayby
something with fuel/air?? I've cheched error codes using LED and 2
wires and there is no error. Mayby something is wrong with settings ??
Nobody U. Know - 13 Nov 2005 05:00 GMT
Well it appears you are OK in the valve area. I doubt it is a fuel mix
problem on a non-turbo. It maybe, but that would be a first in my
experience. The next thing I would recommend is to check timing related
issues. The 1G timing can be set with a light. It should be 5 degrees BTC
when the timing connector is grounded (brown connector behing battery).
There are two possibilities here: you are off time or  the timing belt has
jumped a tooth (and you are really freaking off time). If your belt is old
or you went cheap on the last timing belt change (didn't replace tensioner),
you really could have slipped a tooth.

I would check the timing first. It is somewhat easier. All you need is an
alligator clip to ground the brown/tan connector behind the battery. Do this
with a hot engine. If you ground the right connector (there is a pump tester
back there too...I think) the check engine light should come on. Then
connect a timing gun up to number one (drivers side plug wire). Fire it down
on the drivers side and look for 5 degrees. If you read 15, you may not have
grounded the wrong connect, but you are probably OK regardless. This whole
proceedure is on www.vfaq.com last time I looked.

If timing is off you will need to loosen the cam angle sensor on the
passenger side of the head (12mm nut) and rotate it to adjust. The sensor is
a round bell that is probably green (copper). If it WAY off, you need to
check the belt. This part requires more work as you will have to remove the
timing belt cover (upper and lower) and all the accessory belts. Then you
will need to line up both cam marks and the crank mark to make sure you are
properly timed. If not, you will have to get dirty and do a timing belt. If
not, you are driving a grenade.

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> I've checked rocker arms and everything is ok with them. I've also
> chenged spark plugs and now power and culture is better on revs lower
> than 5500. Over 5500 acceleration is poor and engine is loud. Mayby
> something with fuel/air?? I've cheched error codes using LED and 2
> wires and there is no error. Mayby something is wrong with settings ??
kubamtx - 14 Nov 2005 23:05 GMT
Tomorrow I'll check ignition timming . If it will be ok then I'll check
belt and marks . It's strange. It goes good to 5500 and poor and loudly
over 5500. Tell me if you can what I have to check tomorrow if ignition
and belt will be allright?
Simpleton - 15 Nov 2005 00:32 GMT
Put cylinder #1 at T.D.C. and check the marks on the sprokets with a
straightedge. I think Todd is right and you have skipped time because of and
old floppy cam belt.

> Tomorrow I'll check ignition timming . If it will be ok then I'll check
> belt and marks . It's strange. It goes good to 5500 and poor and loudly
> over 5500. Tell me if you can what I have to check tomorrow if ignition
> and belt will be allright?
Nobody U. Know - 15 Nov 2005 00:38 GMT
That 5500 RPM limit is exactly why I said valve in the first place. It did
the same thing on mine (rocker arm off) and two others (seized valves).
Timing is the next logical guess...although I've seen one car with a broken
air filter that did a similar thing when the filter would get sucked into
the maf.
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> Tomorrow I'll check ignition timming . If it will be ok then I'll check
> belt and marks . It's strange. It goes good to 5500 and poor and loudly
> over 5500. Tell me if you can what I have to check tomorrow if ignition
> and belt will be allright?
kubamtx - 15 Nov 2005 22:00 GMT
Is it possible that my engine works with one shaft rotated 180 degres??
The marks are aligned with a straightedge but both of them are set
toward driver.
kubamtx - 15 Nov 2005 22:32 GMT
Ohh sorry I;ve checked wrong marks, now is ok. I have to check if the 1
piston is in tdc when marks are aligned. Then I'll check timing and air
filter. And valves.
kubamtx - 17 Nov 2005 11:05 GMT
I've checked belt,ignition timing and air filter , everything is ok.
Mayby I've made a mistake when checkin rocker arms. How does it look
when rocker arm is off? Is it simple to see that rocker arm is off or
it's not so evident ? If timing , rocker arms and air fllter are ok so
what's next in my checking procedure?
kubamtx - 17 Nov 2005 11:51 GMT
I forgot about another thing ,  there is a
loud hum that seems to peak at 3K RPM when I'm slowing down it's really
loud. Mayby balance shaft is guilty??
Nobody U. Know - 18 Nov 2005 01:53 GMT
I don't know about that noise, but I'd pull the ECU and look for capacitor
damage next...then move to a clog cat-con.

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> I forgot about another thing ,  there is a
> loud hum that seems to peak at 3K RPM when I'm slowing down it's really
> loud. Mayby balance shaft is guilty??
kubamtx - 23 Nov 2005 22:18 GMT
I've changed T-belt and B-belt checking all marks and now my car works
great. Thanks for help
 
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