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Car Forum / Mitsubishi Cars / July 2007

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My 2000 Carisma is not well at all

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Fred - 16 Jul 2007 18:04 GMT
I'm in the UK and I've got an X-reg (2000) Carisma 1.8 GDI Equippe Auto
(4G93 engine) that's playing up.

Symptoms are:

When starting from cold, instead of just sitting at a fast idle the revs go
up to about 2500 then drop to about 800, then go up, then go down, up, down
etc., etc., oscillating between the two values for about 20 seconds, then it
settles to about 1000.

Putting it into either "D" or "R" the revs drop right off and it almost
stalls. Sometimes it does actually stall.

On moving off, the car accelerates to the point where the auto box wants to
change gear but during the change the engine races (on a manual box it would
be like putting your foot down on the clutch but without lifting your foot
from the accelerator) so that there's a jerk as it engages the next gear.

When the engine reaches normal running temperature most of these things
disappear and the car drives OK. The only thing that remains at normal temp.
is the stalling. Sometimes, waiting at traffic lights for instance, I'll
have the car in Neutral. When the lights change and I put it back in gear,
the revs drop off and it almost stalls - sometimes it does stall. And
sometimes, when approaching junctions, it'll stall before it comes to a
stop.

It's done 50,589 miles and had the transmission fluid dropped, box flushed
out and new fluid in, along with cambelt change and everything that should
have been done on the 54,000 mile service, nine months ago at 45,490 because
the dealer said that it was 54,000 or 5 years, whichever came first.

I rang a mechanic today who's going to have a look at it on Wednesday, but
describing the above to him on the phone, he reckons it could well be the
Idle Control Valve Stepper Motor - what do you guru's on here think?

Cheers,

Fred
9points - 16 Jul 2007 22:45 GMT
Hi Fred
I have a simular problem with my Carisma, (2001, 50,000 miles) and
some times the engine management light stays on. I have been told the
same thing, the throttle stepper motor is sticking. Apparently they
get dry and need lubricating, although I have not had time to take it
apart to find out for sure. Mine only does it occasionally but it can
burn out the coils that operate the motor.
Fred - 16 Jul 2007 23:05 GMT
> Hi Fred
> I have a simular problem with my Carisma, (2001, 50,000 miles) and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> apart to find out for sure. Mine only does it occasionally but it can
> burn out the coils that operate the motor.

Oh well, at least it looks like his telephone diagnosis may well be right
then. And I forgot to say earlier that my engine management light sometimes
stays on as well.

I suppose these stepper motors cost about as much as a kidney - nothing's
cheap on these bloody cars is it? Ironically, we didn't have a lot of money
when we bought the car and one thing that tipped us in favour of it, given
the extortionate price of petrol, was the *supposedly* fantastic mileage you
could get from the GDI engines but I've never had better than about
33-35mpg.

I think I might just get it repaired and sell the damn thing. Good luck with
yours.

Fred
Stewart DIBBS - 16 Jul 2007 22:55 GMT
>...he reckons it could well be the Idle Control Valve Stepper Motor

It could well be the Idle Control Valve Stepper Motor, and any of a variety
of other things too.

The FIRST thing to do is get an error code read out to what the ECU thinks
is the problem.

Cold surging is also caused by
- vacuum leaks
- fuel gum in the throttle body
- dirty air cleaner
- MAF connector needs cleaning.

It's generally not caused by a lack of fuel pressure.
A bad or disconnected coolant temp sensor makes for hard starts and not
surging.

Engine racing between changes might be
- Control Valve Stepper Motor
- fuel gum in the throttle body

Might be related to the O2 sensor, see
http://www.picotech.com/auto/lambda_sensor.html for a decent discussion on
how this affects mixture. If your fuel economy has deteriorated, its likely
the O2 sensor.

Point is the ECU when cold is initially running in open loop, and when it
warms up, moves to closed loop. The Carisma likely has a heated O2 sensor.

Try this: when the engine is cold, disconnect the battrey for 30 seconds to
reset the ECU, then see if the surging continues. It will come back after a
while anyway, but if it goes away, then the problem is a sensor and not the
Control Valve Stepper Motor.

Disconnect the Control Valve Stepper Motor  and see what happens. The engine
wont surge íf that's the problem.

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Stewart DIBBS
www.pixcl.com/lancerproject

Fred - 17 Jul 2007 10:36 GMT
>>...he reckons it could well be the Idle Control Valve Stepper Motor
>
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> Disconnect the Control Valve Stepper Motor  and see what happens. The
> engine wont surge íf that's the problem.

Interesting points there Stewart, thanks very much for that. It had a new O2
sensor (front one if I remember correctly - I believe there are 2 on the
car) about 6 months ago because it failed its MOT on emissions - the new
sensor cured that and it passed its retest. I'll try your suggestions and
post my findings.

Cheers,

Fred.
 
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