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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Altima / August 2003

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Just had a frightening experience with my 2003 Altima...

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John Grabowski - 31 Jul 2003 01:51 GMT
Wanted to share it with everyone so they don't go through what I went
through.  (Maybe the rest of you all know this already, but I thought
I'd share.)

I went--ironically and luckily--to a Nissan dealer today to see about an
item for my 2003 Altima and when I got back to the car, I put the key in
the ignition and--nothing.  The car wouldn't start.  Didn't even try to
turn over.  Total silence.  The electrical system immediately went on,
so I knew it wasn't a battery problem (and it should have been; I was
parked there a mere ten minutes, so even if I left my headlihts on it
should have made no difference) but the car wouldn't even try to start.

Well, I was sweating bullets already.  This car is two weeks old and has
400 miles on it.  It should not have any problems, let alone one this
apparent caliber.

I went back to the dealer and told them what happened.  They said they'd
be happy to look at it, but I'd have to figure out how to get it from
the curb to the service center--half a block, but might as well be a
thousand miles if it can't start.  They suggested I call a towing
service.  My insurance will pay for towing, but I don't know who to call
or if they'll pay for *anyone* at all or just certain people.  (Hmmm...a
good time to call them and find out.)

Then I persuaded the service manager to come over and take a quick look.
  I was parked half a block from the showroom and he agreed, all the
while asking me obvious things: did you have an aftermarket alarm
installed?  Are you sure you're not out of gas?

He couldn't start it either at first, and was truly puzzled.  Then he
put his foot on the brake, slipped it out of Park and into Neutral, and
voila, it started perfectly.

Turns out the shifter doesn't always click firmly into Park, so you
might think it's in park even when it's not quite locked.  The engine
won't start as a safety feature so's you don't fire up the car, slip
into Reverse when you think you're still in Park and rear-end another
car, or worse, a person.

I was so grateful that it was just this minor issue (and felt so lucky
that this happened near a car dealer and not in the middle of nowhere
with no one to ask) that it ddn't occur to me, but now I'm thinking,
What kind of safety feature is it that I can remove the key from the
ignition even though the shifter isn't locked in Park??

I'm pretty sure my old Altima wouldn't have let this happen.  Certainly
I never ran into this problem with that car, or any other I've owned,
for that matter.

Any thoughts from others here?

John

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MyCoolToast - 31 Jul 2003 14:34 GMT
Maybe this gate-shifter thing is not such a good idea after all.  This did
happen to my 93 altima a lot, I had to make sure its in park or jiggle it a
bit before I left the car since I would use remote start on it and it would
not work at times.  I think just make sure you push it all the way up
everytime and if it persists you might need a new shifter.  Check the TSB in
altimas.net i think there is one out on this issue.

Rich

P.s. heres the link http://www.altimas.net/tsb/ " 2002-2003 Altima Engine
will not crank in Park, but cranks in Neutral"
John Grabowski - 31 Jul 2003 18:17 GMT
> Maybe this gate-shifter thing is not such a good idea after all.  This did
> happen to my 93 altima a lot, I had to make sure its in park or jiggle it a
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> P.s. heres the link http://www.altimas.net/tsb/ " 2002-2003 Altima Engine
> will not crank in Park, but cranks in Neutral"

Thanks for the link.  And pardon my ignorance, but what's a "gate shifter"?

John

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MyCoolToast - 31 Jul 2003 20:29 GMT
I think a gate shifter is what we call the kind of shifter we have on the
altima 2002-2003.  Used to be you had to press a button to switch from park
to drive and it's straight vertical.  This feature used to be exlusively on
lux cars awhile back.

Rich
John Grabowski - 31 Jul 2003 23:39 GMT
> I think a gate shifter is what we call the kind of shifter we have on the
> altima 2002-2003.  Used to be you had to press a button to switch from park
> to drive and it's straight vertical.  This feature used to be exlusively on
> lux cars awhile back.

Okay, so why is it (the gate shifter) "better" or more desirable
(presumably they see it that way or it wouldn't have gone from luxury
cars to mainstream cars)?  I never had any shifter problems with my old
fashioned "press the button and shift" shifter.

John

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Chuck.K - 01 Aug 2003 01:06 GMT
> Wanted to share it with everyone so they don't go through what I went
> through.  (Maybe the rest of you all know this already, but I thought
> I'd share.)


SNIP!

> Any thoughts from others here?
>
> John

MY GOD!!!!

HOW did you manage to SURVIVE?

That's truly "frightening"!  You must have been literally scared to
DEATH!

Next time, before you call the police, the fire department and the
paramedics, try RTFM!  There might be something in there informative
for you.

Chuck
John Grabowski - 01 Aug 2003 02:48 GMT
> MY GOD!!!!
>
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> paramedics, try RTFM!  There might be something in there informative
> for you.

Hmmm...I read somewhere the demographics for Altima drivers were
mid-late 30s, male, upwardly mobile, stylish and fairly good income.

Didn't say anything about a.sholes, however....

John

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nojap - 01 Aug 2003 10:53 GMT
> Hmmm...I read somewhere the demographics for Altima drivers were
> mid-late 30s, male, upwardly mobile, stylish and fairly good income.
>
> Didn't say anything about a.sholes, however....

They usually are a.sholes!!  <G>
John Grabowski - 02 Aug 2003 17:43 GMT
>>Wanted to share it with everyone so they don't go through what I went
>>through.  (Maybe the rest of you all know this already, but I thought
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>
> Chuck

Oh by the way, a.shole (and I don't know why I'm answering you twice,
but what the hell) tell me what to do when the valet parks the car and
then can't start it to move it to park other cars?  You think he's going
to read the manual?  He's going to call a tow truck and sock me with the
bill!  You act like it's perfectly normal for a car not to start when
it's in park.  I'd like to see it happen to you.

John

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Chuck.K - 03 Aug 2003 05:08 GMT
> Oh by the way, a.shole (and I don't know why I'm answering you twice,
> but what the hell) tell me what to do when the valet parks the car and
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>
> John

Valet's park cars for a living.  They LEARN very quickly how to PROPERLY
engage park (and how to shift to neutral to start if the car won't start
in 'park').

See, unlike you, they have the ability to LEARN!  They also get screened
for the ability to READ (something you obviously failed to learn in grade
school).

BTW, it's perfectly NORMAL for a car not to fully engage the starter
INTERLOCK (happens all the time) which is WHY it's almost always
explained in the owners manual!  You ought to try reading yours sometime,
if you can figure out where the dealer put it!

Chuck
Chuck.K - 03 Aug 2003 05:15 GMT
> Oh by the way, a.shole (and I don't know why I'm answering you twice,
> but what the hell) tell me what to do when the valet parks the car and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> John

Valet's park cars for a living.  They LEARN very quickly how to PROPERLY
engage park (and how to shift to neutral to start if the car won't start
in 'park').

See, unlike you, they have the ability to LEARN!  They also get screened
for the ability to READ (something you obviously failed to learn in grade
school).

BTW, it's perfectly NORMAL for a car not to fully engage the starter
INTERLOCK (happens all the time) which is WHY it's almost always
explained in the owners manual!  You ought to try reading yours sometime,
if you can figure out where the dealer put it!

Chuck
John Grabowski - 03 Aug 2003 17:19 GMT
>>Oh by the way, a.shole (and I don't know why I'm answering you twice,
>>but what the hell) tell me what to do when the valet parks the car and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> See, unlike you, they have the ability to LEARN!  

Not the one who parked my car last Sunday night.

And the garaga, the NISSAN garage, didn't figure it out either, at least
not initially.  When I got home there was a call waiting for me on my
answering machine "We can't start you car!"  When I called them back
they admitted they'd figured it out.

John

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Chuck.K - 04 Aug 2003 19:47 GMT

> Not the one who parked my car last Sunday night.

Yeah.... right.  Now you're going to say you had to explain to him
how to start your car.  Uh Huh!

> And the garaga, the NISSAN garage, didn't figure it out either, at least
> not initially.

And so the story changes (again).

> When I got home there was a call waiting for me on my
> answering machine "We can't start you car!"  When I called them back
> they admitted they'd figured it out.
>
> John

Sure.  You just happened to FORGET to mention that one in your
initial post.  Uh huh!

If you remember correctly, you SAID you went to the Nissan garage to
"see about an item".  They never even LOOKED at your car, since you
had parked it (again, I quote) "1/2 a block" away.  Then, the service
manager resolved the problem by starting the car and explaining to
you WHY it didn't start.

NOW you want us to believe that someone CALLED you because they
couldn't start your car.

OH WAIT!  The Nissan garage valet parks and services cars on SUNDAY!  
Yeah, that's the ticket!

Chuck

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