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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Altima / March 2006

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Poor fuel milleage in '99 Altima

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dan.penton@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2006 01:05 GMT
Hi everyone,

I just recently purchased a '99 Altima with 140k kms on the dial.

I was shocked to find out that the fuel gauge showed that we had driven
not even 100km and it was already down to 1/4 a tank! This is crazy!
The last quarter didn't really last much longer either.

I do the trip odometer, but I can only confirm my suspisions.

Any idea what the heck is going on here?

Dan

PS - Other than that, she runs great. Her name is Alyssa :)
loewent - 22 Mar 2006 02:31 GMT
borrowed my brothers 93 altima for a couple weeks now, I noticed that the
tank is not full at the first click at the gas tank.  The highest it would
get on the gas gauge was 3/4.

The other day I decided to fill it up myself.  The gas nozzle clicked off at
22 liters (6 gall).  I coaxed another 15 liters (4gall) into it!  Afterwards,
the gas gauge was at full.

Maybe your problem is similar?
t

>Hi everyone,
>
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>
>PS - Other than that, she runs great. Her name is Alyssa :)
AS - 22 Mar 2006 05:01 GMT
1st make sure that the gauge is reading correctly.  Refuel the tank and
compare the volume put in it with the specs for your car.  If there is
only 1/4 left, then you should be able to put 3/4 x fuel tank capacity.

Once you have confirmed that the gauge is ok, we will think of possible
causes for the exagerated fuel usage.

Good luck

> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> PS - Other than that, she runs great. Her name is Alyssa :)
dan.penton@gmail.com - 24 Mar 2006 01:24 GMT
Yes, I will do that shortly. Just waiting for the tank to empty. It is
wierd...it seems the last eighth is lasting almost 200 kms..so far we
have gotten 350kms out of a full tank. The light hasn't come on yet,
but I have been expecting this to come on for almost a week. It's as
though the tank is severly lop-sided or something.
AS - 24 Mar 2006 04:36 GMT
So far it sounds as a defective fuel level sending unit.

> Yes, I will do that shortly. Just waiting for the tank to empty. It is
> wierd...it seems the last eighth is lasting almost 200 kms..so far we
> have gotten 350kms out of a full tank. The light hasn't come on yet,
> but I have been expecting this to come on for almost a week. It's as
> though the tank is severly lop-sided or something.
loewent - 24 Mar 2006 16:32 GMT
I had a big dent in my tank on my civic a few years ago.  that threw all
sorts of things outta wack.

>So far it sounds as a defective fuel level sending unit.
>
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>> but I have been expecting this to come on for almost a week. It's as
>> though the tank is severly lop-sided or something.
dan.penton@gmail.com - 24 Mar 2006 22:45 GMT
Ok, so update. My wife filled up the tank today...52 litres. She filled
it up when the needle was past the E...but the light hadn't come on
yet. The trip odometer said 427km. We had a full tank before too...so
that works out to 8.21l/km. Not that good at all.

The whole car works great...any ideas anyone?
AS - 26 Mar 2006 05:04 GMT
Actually it comes out to be 0.122 l/km or 8.21km/l or 19.45 miles/gal
which is not desperately bad in my opinion, even should be improved.  I
would expect around 22 miles/gallon city driving.

Is it auto or manual transmission?  Is it mostly city or highway
driving?  A/C on mostly?  Are the tires on the vehicle of the right size
(is the odometer reading distance correctly).

1. Tire inflation pressure and tire type have influence in gas mileage.
 What brand and model tires are they?  Adjust inflation pressure when
tires are cold.
2. Any chances of the brakes dragging the vehicle?  Does it roll easily?
3. Wheel alignment.
4. Roof rack or any other gadgets that could affect wind resistance?
5. If auto tranny, is there a chance of slippage?
6. Air filter.
7. Spark Plugs and wires.
8. Is this car equipped with a timing belt or chain.  If belt, has it
been replaced?
9. Thermostat stuck in the open position.
10. Insufficient engine compression.
11. Improper ignition timing.
12. Oils change.
13. Too much junk in the trunk.
14. Codes on the ODB-II even if the CEL is not on

I hope this list helps.

Good luck

> Ok, so update. My wife filled up the tank today...52 litres. She filled
> it up when the needle was past the E...but the light hadn't come on
> yet. The trip odometer said 427km. We had a full tank before too...so
> that works out to 8.21l/km. Not that good at all.
>
> The whole car works great...any ideas anyone?
Kevin Smith - 26 Mar 2006 16:51 GMT
I have a 2000 altima with automatic and do all hwy driving to work everyday
and with the cold weather we have been having all I can get is 23mpg. Have
changed plugs,rotor button, cap,& fuel filter. During the summer I get 27-29
mpg.
> Actually it comes out to be 0.122 l/km or 8.21km/l or 19.45 miles/gal
> which is not desperately bad in my opinion, even should be improved.  I
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>> The whole car works great...any ideas anyone?
dan.penton@gmail.com - 27 Mar 2006 21:10 GMT
Hey there. Thanks for the tips.

I just checked the tire pressure...they were all down at least 6 psi. I
topped them all up.

The front tires have uneven wear on the outside edge. Very badly on the
front right tire. I am getting the front end aligned this week.

Brakes are good...tranny is fine.

I have no exterior accessories (roof rack..)

I will check air filter/plugs/wires tonight. Maybe put a K&N in there.

I dont know about the timing belt or chain...but the alternator belt
chirps once when I start it cold...will get that tightned at the time
of alignment.

Not sure about the thermostat...but it heats up fine and really fast
(Less than 2 mins of driving with a 30 sec warm up) in -0 celcius
weather consistantly.

The timing/compression, i am unsure of. Things to check when I send it
in.

Oil has been changed less than 500kms ago.

The car is empy aside from an empy gerry can and a blanket.

--

Nissan recommends against the use of additives...any problems with this
in anyones car?

I do mostly city driving. And my wife drives it almost all the time.
loewent - 27 Mar 2006 21:51 GMT
Regarding additives, not sure about nissan, but in my honda manual it says
additives are a waste of money, but it does not say that they are not
recommended.  I guess just take a look at the additive.  Chlorine and Teflon
are common ingredients in some additived.  These are not found in fuel or oil,
so why would you put that in your engine?  Higher quality additives are just
re-refined oils with different properties, perhaps questionable in their
efficacy.  Lots of Injector cleaners are alcohol or petroleum distillates, so
they should be fine.  Only time you gotta worry is if it'll eat fuel lines
and fittings....

Sometimes it just takes a tank of high octane and a lead foot to really clean
out the combustion chambers....

I use the odd bottle of injector cleaner, seems to have done no damage so far.
...
t

>Hey there. Thanks for the tips.
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>I do mostly city driving. And my wife drives it almost all the time.
Bill - 28 Mar 2006 12:49 GMT
I was doing an emergency rebuild of a pickup so it'd pass inspection
while camping in another state.  I was kind of grimey when I'd buy
parts.  The parts store owner's son said Hey, try this Restore.  It has
Teflon that melts and fills any scratches in the cylinder walls
improving compression.  I used it, and again.  The truck started
smoking.  The stuff may fill cracks but it also builds up on the valve
stems.  So, after using the stuff if you run the engine to a rev it
usually never reaches the buildup tears into the valve seals.  Smoke.
I sometimes wonder about the carbon cleaners and their effect on O2
sensors.  The chemical has to be pretty strong so what's the odds of it
killing the chemical sensor and what's it do to the converter catalyst?
loewent - 27 Mar 2006 13:54 GMT
Sounds about the same as the mileage on the 93 altima I am planning to buy.

Altima's are pretty heavy compared to other similar sized cars.  Also, engine
displacement is higher than its competitors. Nissans are not know for their
fantastic mileage.... if that is what you were goin for, you shoulda gotten a
honda or toyota.... :)

BUT take some of the pointers that 'AS' suggested, as these points will also
often help point you to other maintenance issues that should have been done
anyways.  And who knows, maybe you can squeeze another couple MPGs outta the
car....

Try a bottle or 2 of Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant in the gas tank, or
Chevron Techron (I've heard good things though never tried, can't find it in
Canada....)  If there is a compression issue due to carbon in combustion
chamber or dirty valve train, that stuff will clear it right up.  Increased
compression on the 93 altima from 85 to 160 PSI, 80% leak down on intake
valves to 35%.... so obviously it could still be improved....

t

>Ok, so update. My wife filled up the tank today...52 litres. She filled
>it up when the needle was past the E...but the light hadn't come on
>yet. The trip odometer said 427km. We had a full tank before too...so
>that works out to 8.21l/km. Not that good at all.
>
>The whole car works great...any ideas anyone?
Gordon reeder - 23 Mar 2006 03:29 GMT
> Hi everyone,
>
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>
> PS - Other than that, she runs great. Her name is Alyssa :)

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