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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / July 2004

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Jim Mohundro - 05 Jun 2004 04:26 GMT
I've been thinking about buying a six- to eight-yerar old Maxima this Fall,
based on recommendations of a couple of ffriends who have been happy with
theirs of that approximate vintage.  I may have some second thoughts as I've
read this newsgroup which, of course, focusses on problems rather than on
satisfaction; however, I may still go ahead with the purchase.

I'm looking for modestly priced relative luxury and comfort (my 1985 Buick
LeSabre is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I think a somewhat smaller
car with similar amenties--leather, power everything, quiet engine may be a
good fit for me).  Exzcept for the first car I ever purchased, I and my
family have preferred to buy six- to ten-year old cars every five or six
years and pay out of savings rather than experiencing the depreciation and
car payments associated with the purchase of a new car.

As I read the classified auto ads I see references to GLEs and GXEs.  What
is the difference?  Anyone out there who is relatively happy with his or her
Maxima who would explain the difference and make a recommendation?
Richard Tomkins - 05 Jun 2004 05:51 GMT
ES = (Don't Know)
SE = Sport Edition
GLE = Grand Luxury Edition (This is a guess)
GXE = ?? Edition (Don't know)

What I do know is that;

The GXE is the low end machine.
The SE offers Sport related stuff, like performance tires, manual
transmission, highend stereo, and stiff suspension as well as other things.
The GLE is high end model with leather, soft suspension (this is relative
somehwhat, as even the GXE has what some call a harsh ride), high end
stereo, moonroof and other stuff thta could be considered luxury standard.
The ES, I see them around once in a while, and just figured that the guy
applying the badges got the SE backwards. I truly don't know what
distinguishes it from everything else.

I own a 95, bought used in 98. I have had some expensive maintenance bills,
in comparison to the 92 Plymouth Voyageur that I also own, bought used also
in 99. My van has a ride that is just so smooth on long trips, it's hard to
believe that it's a van. As a used vehicle it's condition was the pits. The
Maxima really shone when first purchased and when I get the rust on one door
fixed, it will again look brand new. I have had the car up to 200 Km/hour,
the cruise ocntrol only works to 160. I would not driver the van that fast,
but at 140 it sure is a nice ride. The car when running at 140 and then
floored still shifts down and takes off, accelerating real good.

I like the car and usually get it detailed every two years and pay the kids
to clean it every other year. Most passengers after riding in it, front or
back (back seat for adults is great for room) remark that it is such a nice
car and are quite amazed to find out that it is a 95. My 88 Ford Tempo at
this milage and lifespan was showing it's age and seemed quite tired when
driven.

I just had an invitation from Chrysler to attend the Cross Canada Tour. It
was alot of fun. I dorve the various models of the PT cruiser around a test
track, their vans and of course the new one, the CrossFire. After that I had
a spin in a VIPER and an SRT-2 and an SRT-10. The 2 is a Neon with a 243 HP
engine and a real performance package. The SRT-10 is a hlaf ton with a
500CubicInch, 500Ft/Lbs, 500HP engine. It is modeled on the VIPER platform.
All these cars were driven by factory race drivers. It was fun drifting
around corners. I then drove a 300 and a MAGNUM. Both of these cars are
available with Hemi's and they are a testament to high end technology. They
have YAw sensing interconnected wiht the traction control, they call it ESP
and it is an amazing technology. Accelerating off a skid pad was done by
flooring the car and it rev limited the engine to coast the car off the
start at less than a 1KM/hour. Once on dry pavement, the acceleration was
great and then into a steering lockup corner that would have sent my Maxima
into the wall and my van into a rollover. Hitting this ocrner at around
60KM/hour and then tunring the whele al the way to lock, the car braked
slowed right down and safely drifted around the corner and then accelerated
out into a shikane. WOW technology here folks.

I fell in love with the Magnum. Large leather luxurious interior, great
stereo and handling. Thye come out in June and if I get the rust fixed on my
Maxima, well, I can dream can't I.

Honestly, I use the van as a functional family transport. The maxima is my
daily commute and long distance driving fun car, wehn the kids odn't have to
travel. Until the Magnum, I had not looked at anything else except with a
passing glance.

The shuttle is based on older technology, but it's reliability issues are
not caused by this, thye are caused by the fact that there is just too much
of too many things to go wrong. BMW's are also full of technology and even
though I love them and their ride and handling, they suck for things going
wrong or needing a high degree of maintenance to keep right.

The Maxima that I have has been expensive to maintain, that is the cost of
the parts and the labour. The things that have actually failed and gone
wrong is quite small. The van is chaeper to maintina, the cost of parts, and
it has less technology to go wrong as well.

Hope this helps you.
Roger - 06 Jun 2004 01:49 GMT
ES in canada = SE in US

> ES = (Don't Know)
> SE = Sport Edition
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> Hope this helps you.
filesiteguy - 06 Jun 2004 13:17 GMT
> I've been thinking about buying a six- to eight-yerar old Maxima this
> Fall, based on recommendations of a couple of ffriends who have been happy
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> is the difference?  Anyone out there who is relatively happy with his or
> her Maxima who would explain the difference and make a recommendation?

Dunno if you're in the US or not...

...In the US we have three trim levels for that age range. (It does change
for the 2000 and newer cars.)

GXE = Base Model. I have a '98 model.
SE = GXE + bigger tires, sport suspension, Sunroof (sometimes), white
guages, stickshift, and a few other sporty things.
GLE = GXE + leather, moonroof, climate control (whatever that is), sunroof,
nicer stereo.

They all have a great engine and should last well over 300,000 miles.  They
are also all a high-end sports car. The base model comes with air, CD,
cruse, power everything, four-speed auto, decent tires, nice rims, and can
go fast (for a FWD car).

They are all a little small, and I have to put the seat all the way back to
fit, but they are fun to drive.  They are a compact car, though, not a
midsize like your LeSabre.

Maintenance wise, they are pretty much like any other non-GM or non-Ford
car - they cost only what it takes to replace maintenace items. Most things
don't break on a Maxima. I have 65,000 miles on mine and you can  read my
posts here about maintenance. I expect to have it for several hundred
thousand miles more - unless I find something worth spending $30K+ on.

HTH.

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BuddyWh - 06 Jun 2004 23:34 GMT
>They
>are also all a high-end sports car.

Say what??

You are joking, aren't you??
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BuddyWh
filesiteguy - 07 Jun 2004 13:26 GMT
>>They
>>are also all a high-end sports car.
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> BuddyWh

No.

I believe they were labled the family sports sedan.
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Warner Crump - 07 Jun 2004 16:46 GMT
I have seen the 3rd gens that have the 4DSC badge on the window.  4DSC = 4
door sports coupe.  The Maxima has been marketed as the sports car that can
still fit groceries in the back for a long time.

> >>They
> >>are also all a high-end sports car.
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>
> I believe they were labled the family sports sedan.
Codifus - 08 Jun 2004 00:27 GMT
> I have seen the 3rd gens that have the 4DSC badge on the window.  4DSC = 4
> door sports coupe.  The Maxima has been marketed as the sports car that can
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>>
>>I believe they were labled the family sports sedan.

LOL. 4DSC = 4 Door Sports Car, not coupe.
As for high end, hey, I love Maximas but I wouldn't call them high end.
Very practical, reliable, fun. Nissan does very well to maximise (excuse
the pun) what you can do with a FWD sedan platform. There's always the
inevitable comparison to a BMW, which costs way more and is RWD, a
platform much better suited to performance. No doubt that the BMW
handles better, but the Maxima is a extremely nice FWD sports sedan.
Perhaps only the Acura can best the Maxima with the TL. I still prefer
the Maxima, though. Acura chooses to use A-arms in the suspension which
is better compared to the Struts used in Nissans. But what you gain in
performance you lose in practicality. Nissans are always roomier than
Acuras/Honda, and its the suspension that is partly at fault for that.
Also, Acuras are heavier than Nissans, so their high power and
comparatively low torque VTEC motors have to worker harder. Nissans will
launch harder out of the gate compared to Acuras, but on the Highway,
VTEC land, the Acura will catch up and leave Maxima. Well, that has been
the case but I wonder about a 2004 maxima going up against a 2004 TL.
There's only 5 hp difference between them and the Maxima no doubt has
better torque. These 2 cars are always like the arch nemisis of each
other, like the Corvette and Viper.

Anyhow, sorry for the long post, I hope it was a good read:)

CD
BuddyWh - 07 Jun 2004 23:48 GMT
>>>They
>>>are also all a high-end sports car.
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>
>I believe they were labled the family sports sedan.

Family sports sedan?... hmmm, OK, now that's something I can handle,
albeit without quibbling over how well it fulfills expectations in
even that classification..

It  would be very hard to call it a high-end sports sedan, though.
That being something like a BMW 5 or 7 series.

Sports car though? and high-end at that? that's just stretching it.  A
sports car - high, low, or anything else -  it definitely is not.
Don't know if there is an official definition of "sports car", but in
my book it starts with "two seater" or "2+2".  That simply because 4
doors and comfortable seating needed for extra passengers compromises
it's design and performance right out of it's reason for existing...
the  pure sport of driving.

BuddyWh
filesiteguy - 08 Jun 2004 03:30 GMT
>>>>They
>>>>are also all a high-end sports car.
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>
>BuddyWh

Totally off topic here....

...I walked by something today that can only be described as a "sports
car". It was a Dodge Viper. The interesting thing about it was that I
noticed Carrol Shelby's signature on the dashboard.

I know he does this for the cars he mods (you pay a donation to some
research foundation) so I'm curious what tricks  he did to the Viper.

K
maximagxe90 - 03 Jul 2004 21:03 GMT
Hi,

the third gen was the only gen that has the 4DSC,
Codifus - 07 Jul 2004 16:53 GMT
> Hi,
>
> the third gen was the only gen that has the 4DSC,

The 4DSC moniker was definitely the 3rd gen, but it definitely lives in
the later gens, especially the SE versions.

CD
Pat@Boston.Harbor - 08 Jul 2004 23:59 GMT
>The 4DSC moniker was definitely the 3rd gen, but it definitely lives in
>the later gens, especially the SE versions.

I sorta disagree, ever since four wheel independent suspension went
away.  I feel my 2002 (and my earlier 2000)'s rear end hopping all
over the place on corners.  It's still a nice car but not what it once
was..

P
Codifus - 09 Jul 2004 13:50 GMT
>>The 4DSC moniker was definitely the 3rd gen, but it definitely lives in
>>the later gens, especially the SE versions.
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> P

Yes, the beam rear is not ideal, but at least it's pretty advanced
stuff. It's light with a central pivotal link, not like a Mustang Camaro
with its heavy live axle rear end. The rear multi-link beam is not half
as bad as people think. And simple things like keeping your rear tire
pressure relatively high exxagerates the rear end's weakness. Try
lowering your rear tire pressure a bit and feel the rear end button down.

Is an independent rear suspension better? Of course, but not as much
better as you'd think.

CD
Pat@Boston.Harbor - 10 Jul 2004 13:55 GMT
>Yes, the beam rear is not ideal, but at least it's pretty advanced
>stuff. It's light with a central pivotal link, not like a Mustang Camaro
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>
>CD

I DO notice the difference, so it's a lot to me.  I never considered
tire pressure though, will drop a few PSI.  There's much positive
feedback on maxima.org with regards to adding a rear sway bar.

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