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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / August 2004

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filesiteguy - 19 Aug 2004 13:06 GMT
First off, glad to hear NissTech is alive and well. (And to think I was
considering moving to Florida...)

Second: It is tire time. I currently have the Bridgestone Potenza R92 tires
on my '98.  My mechanic suggested that they're okay for a little more time,
but my wife is going to take the car with my oldest up into the mountains
on a major road trip next week. (Couple this with the fact that I have a
plug in the front driver tire after a screw got implanted last month while
on a road trip to Santa Barbara.)

He has Cooper tires on sale and can put them on +balance/align for $68 each.
I searched around and didn't find anything negative about Coopers, except
for one person who ran through the tread in 12,000 miles.

Anybody see any objections?

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BuddyWh - 21 Aug 2004 13:48 GMT
Cooper is an economy tire... I've known several people who've bought
them and had good performance, decent mileage and handling even in wet
weather.  

But then, they weren't demanding either... they just wanted reliable,
safe, transportation at a good price. They got it.

I'm sure there are stories of Cooper tires that have failed and worn
out early.  But there are just as many of high priced top-end tires
doing the same (I've my own experiences).  It's hard to gain any
insight from this.

As for me... I have no need for the high performance of an expensive
tire, and definitely not the price. For instance... it's not too
likely I'll EVER drive my Max at 130MPH... and even LESS likely to
drive it "continuous" at that speed!  IMO, it's just plain stupid to
pay the price for a U or H speed rating.  I think the only reason
Nissan puts such tires on (especially the low-end GXE) is for
liability concerns: they don't know that a driver might  go out and do
just that (and there are a lot who will) since the car is capable of
it.  

In short: I buy tires for how and where I drive, not what the car's
capable of. I'll consider buying Cooper, too, if the price is right.

But if you think of  tires as a style accessory for your car... well
that shades the decision process entirely different, doesn't it.  

BuddyWh

>First off, glad to hear NissTech is alive and well. (And to think I was
>considering moving to Florida...)
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>
>Anybody see any objections?
filesiteguy - 26 Aug 2004 02:56 GMT
BuddyWh scratched out in the sand

> Cooper is an economy tire... I've known several people who've bought
> them and had good performance, decent mileage and handling even in wet
> weather.

Thanks for the advice.

I wonder if I'll ever drive it in wet weather... :)

Let's see, my '98 has 70000 miles on it and probably has driven in the rain
less than 10 times.

> As for me... I have no need for the high performance of an expensive
> tire, and definitely not the price. For instance... it's not too
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> just that (and there are a lot who will) since the car is capable of
> it.

Low end!!!??? I didn't think there was a "low end" maxima. Anyway, I bought
the tires, and after one day they seem to be nicer than the Potenza tires I
had on there. They were ~$70 each mounted and balanced. They have a 50,000
mile warranty and seven years roadhazard assistance. Seems fair enough to
me. I pretty much stick to the freeway to and from work and generally drive
around 80-90 most  of the way, so not too fast. (Yes, I go against
traffic.)

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BuddyWh - 27 Aug 2004 13:29 GMT
>Low end!!!??? I didn't think there was a "low end" maxima. Anyway, I bought
>the tires, and after one day they seem to be nicer than the Potenza tires I
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>around 80-90 most  of the way, so not too fast. (Yes, I go against
>traffic.)

It sounds like you're happy... so far at least.

FWIW, I've gotten a little tired of chasing "value" in high priced
tires, if such is possible.  For years I've always bought quality,
name brands and been increasingly dissapointed, especially with poor
wet traction -- Michelin extra- especially -- as prices continuously
creep up.  

But mainly due to performance near the end-of-life... that period when
there is still ample tread left and it is well below expected mileage.
From what I've read, this happens as rubber compounds used in high(er)
performance tires change properties over time and temp. It handles
poorly in any condition and they can become very noisy.  For this, I
pay a hefty premium!

So, when my Rodeo needed tires a few years ago,  I bought some no-name
tire instead of a much more expensive name-brand as usual.  I have no
complaints so far... the tires probably won't last as long, but for
about 30% less $$, I've already enough miles to make them cheaper
"per-mile" (and getting cheaper every mile I drive).   I'd agree that
more expensive tire probably handled/performed better when new, but
these are still good even in  "end-of-life" when a more expensive tire
would have degraded performance.

FWIW.... I also (used to) live in a desert climate.  I think having
decent wet handling is much, MUCH more important here.  Why?...
because when it does rain NOBODY knows how to drive in it!  It'd
almost be comical... if I weren't also trying to drive in it and avoid
them at the same time!

BuddyWh
filesiteguy - 27 Aug 2004 14:55 GMT
BuddyWh scratched out in the sand

> So, when my Rodeo needed tires a few years ago,  I bought some no-name
> tire instead of a much more expensive name-brand as usual.  I have no
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> these are still good even in  "end-of-life" when a more expensive tire
> would have degraded performance.

Very interesting input. I hadn't thought about things that way. In
opposition to the maxima, I recently (May) put on some expensive
Bridgestone H-Rated tires on my Kia minivan. I think it takes 215/70/15
tires. I spent twice in total of what I spent with the Maxima.

> FWIW.... I also (used to) live in a desert climate.  I think having
> decent wet handling is much, MUCH more important here.  Why?...
> because when it does rain NOBODY knows how to drive in it!  It'd
> almost be comical... if I weren't also trying to drive in it and avoid
> them at the same time!

LOL! I think I can count on one hand the number of times in the past year
I've driven in the rain. Of course, I can completely relate to your remark.
When I used to live in Germany, driving in the rain was not an issue, since
it did so at least once a week for most of the spring/summer.

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Bitsbucket - 21 Aug 2004 19:34 GMT
I bought some KUMO tires,  they are high performance and have had GREAT
service from them. They drive as good now as they did new (rotated
regularly) and I paid approx, 75 bucks per tire mounted and
balanced.....It's your call but I like to use the best tires I can find for
a good price, (price does not always indicate quality either) after all it's
the only thing separating you from the road! I think KUMO's are good tires,
not well known as far as I've seen, but I have been VERY satisfied with
mine. Lot's of guys at Maxima.org use them too, that is where I found out
about them. I had Potenza's but could not afford to buy another set of them!
(I do not work for KUMO)
Bitsbucket
> First off, glad to hear NissTech is alive and well. (And to think I was
> considering moving to Florida...)
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>
> Anybody see any objections?
Lynn - 22 Aug 2004 06:12 GMT
> Anybody see any objections?

The Kumho Ecsta HP4 716 are reasonably priced and rate 4 out of 5
stars.

Looks like a deal to me!

http://www.tirerack.com has them for $66 each + $31.68 total, Road
Hazard Program with four tire purchase.

Also check out http://www.discounttire.com

more specifically: http://www.discounttire.com/dtc/searchTiresByVehicleAndSize.do?ar=60&rd=15&rc=AZ
EINT&vid=006348&cs=215&sw=false&yr=1998


The Dunlop SP Sport A2 look like a good buy also.

Good luck!  :)
BuddyWh - 22 Aug 2004 13:02 GMT
>http://www.tirerack.com has them for $66 each + $31.68 total, Road
>Hazard Program with four tire purchase.

Tirerack have excellent tire choices... and usually at decent prices.
But while intriguing, I've always wondered about shipping costs and
the problem of getting someone local to mount and balance... not to
mention disposing of the old tires. How much does this add to the
total cost?  

Are local tire shops generally amenable to someone bringing in their
own tires for mounting? My guess (fear??) would be they'd gouge like
mad, since they made no profit on the tire sale and they obviously
aren't working with a loyal customer... or one who might be.

And finally... how does their road hazard program work since TireRack
doesn't have a shop to take the flat to?

A few words from some folk that have actually gone through the
Tirerack experience would be welcome...

BuddyWh

 
Bitsbucket - 22 Aug 2004 19:34 GMT
I have bought several sets of tires from Tirerack and have never had a
problem getting them mounted and balanced, belive me, they make enough on
that alone without hasseling you about where the tires came from. Disposal
was not enough that I even remember what it was. I have always come out
ahead (usually over 100 bucks) of buying locally even with the added expense
of the mounting, balancing, and disposal....Price that same tire at a local
dealer and see what they want for it.....

As far as road hazard, never had to file a claim so I really do not know on
that.....
Bitsbucket.

> >http://www.tirerack.com has them for $66 each + $31.68 total, Road
> >Hazard Program with four tire purchase.
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>
> BuddyWh
Codifus - 31 Aug 2004 23:05 GMT
  . . . .
> And finally... how does their road hazard program work since TireRack
> doesn't have a shop to take the flat to?
>
> BuddyWh
>
>  
You mail bad tire to them. I've had the mis-fortune of exercising my
road hazard warranty on several occaisions. What happens is you call
them up and tell them about it, in my case it was
DiscountTiredirect.com. They sell you a new tire and give you an address
to send the old tire to. Then, when they receive the bad tire and verify
that it failed within warranty guidlines, they refund the money you
spent on the new replacement tire.

By the way, I've had Kumho Ecsta 712s and found them to be great tires.
one drawaback was that they do not like the cold. They loose adhesion
quite quickly when the weather gets cold. But then, being a summer tire
that the Ecsta 712 is, we should know that:)

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