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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / December 2004'02 Maxima SE Tires
Hi all, I know this post may sound like a redundant post. But after doing research I wanted some real opinions from real maxima users, and hence I am posting my question here. I am looking to replace the Bridgestone OEM tires (225/50 17) that came along with the car. They have started to wear out after nearly 44,000 miles. After good amount of research on various newsgroups and websites, I have narrowed down my list of new tires to the following (not in any particular order): - Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 - Michelin Pilot Sport A/S - Michelin Pilot Alpine PA2 - Bridgestone turanza LS-H We live in Virginia, where weather conditions are not very extremes, but fairly wet. Our driving mostly constitutes to highways, it's like 80/20. I would really appreciate if you can provide me with some insights, suggestions, and experiences with these tires or with any other tire that is not on list. All of your suggestions and comments will be very helpful and greatly appreciated. thank you all in advance, BI > - Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Bridgestone turanza LS-H I have the Goodyear Eagles on my RX-7, and I would not put them on my Maxima. They are noisy, do very well in dry or rain, and I don't know their tread life. Unless you absolutely don't drive in snow, or you really aren't worried about snow/slush performance and the noise, I don't recommend them. The Michelin Pilot Sport A/S appear to be better choice - excellent dry, wet, acceptable snow performance. I've never afforded them on my car. (I use Dunlop SP Sport 5000s and Sport A2s). Many have complained of 20k-30k lifespan. On all highway driving they should be nice, but I wouldn't want to pay that price every year or two. Pilot Alpine is a winter tire, I have no idea why you would drive that year-round, especially in Virginia. The Touranza LS-H is a touring tire, and as such it should be fairly quiet and long-lasting. Not as high performance as the Pilot Sport A/S or F1s, but very good. Probably the best choice. Dave > The Touranza LS-H is a touring tire, and as such it should be fairly > quiet and long-lasting. Not as high performance as the Pilot Sport A/S or > F1s, but very good. Probably the best choice. I thought it was the LS-V...? One note about the Pilot Sport A/S tire, it will be noisier than the stock Potenzas. > > The Touranza LS-H is a touring tire, and as such it should be fairly > > quiet and long-lasting. Not as high performance as the Pilot Sport A/S or > > F1s, but very good. Probably the best choice. > > I thought it was the LS-V...? H, V, and Z are all varieties of the LS tire, with the difference being speed rating. To the original poster, the Z will ride firmest, with the H being the softest. However, I wouldn't expect the difference to be great. Dave . > After good amount of research on various newsgroups and websites, I have > narrowed down my list of new tires to the following (not in any particular [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - Michelin Pilot Alpine PA2 > - Bridgestone turanza LS-H Why no Falken Ziex-512? It was rated #1 by consumer magazine, and they cost less than $500 for the set (mounted and balanced). Matthew 01 Max SE > Why no Falken Ziex-512? It was rated #1 by consumer magazine, and they > cost less than $500 for the set (mounted and balanced). Because Falken is a no-name tire mfg, and I'd rather trust my life to Michelin. Tires are one area where the saying "penny wise and pound foolish" goes a LONG way, especially when you're rolling down an embankment because the sidewall ruptured or the tread seperated on your crappy generic tires. I agree with you Rich, that was the reason I didnot shortlist any "no-name" tires. > > Why no Falken Ziex-512? It was rated #1 by consumer magazine, and they > > cost less than $500 for the set (mounted and balanced). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > because the sidewall ruptured or the tread seperated on your crappy generic > tires. > Because Falken is a no-name tire mfg, and I'd rather trust my life to > Michelin. Tires are one area where the saying "penny wise and pound > foolish" goes a LONG way, especially when you're rolling down an embankment > because the sidewall ruptured or the tread seperated on your crappy generic > tires. "No-Name Generic Tire"?? Falken has been making high-performance tires for years and makes no cheap tires for the masses. All their models are premium designs. In the recent Euro-Tuner tires tests run at Tire Rack's race course on matching BMW's (11/04), Falken came in 2nd place out of 12 premium brands---losing only to Michelin. After both wet and dry tests, Falken handily beat Goodyear and slaughtered Bridgestone, and cost about half as much. Just because they don't spend their profits on a blimp or countless road races doesn't mean they can't build good tires. In my book, Bridgestone=Firestone, as they are after all the same company. I think they invented tread separation. Hmm, weren't they involved somehow in the rash of Ford SUV's rolling over??. In fact the only tires I ever owned that blew out (nearly killing my family) were Goodyear Aquatreads. Top-of-the-line at the time. Sure, Goodyear gave me a fresh set for free, cuz they knew they were a defective design and didn't want any trouble. Cheaper for them than recalling their junk. You really need to shop other places than Sam's Club or Sears. There are lots of seriously good tires out there that you haven't heard of YET. Matthew 00 BMW 528i 01 Max SE > "No-Name Generic Tire"?? Falken has been making high-performance tires > for years and makes no cheap tires for the masses. All their > You really need to shop other places than Sam's Club or Sears. There > are lots of seriously good tires out there that you haven't heard of > YET. You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe they quite have the R&D budget of a Michelin or Bridgestone. I have had good luck with Cooper > "No-Name Generic Tire"?? Falken has been making high-performance tires > for years and makes no cheap tires for the masses. All their > You really need to shop other places than Sam's Club or Sears. There > are lots of seriously good tires out there that you haven't heard of > YET. You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe they quite have the R&D budget of a Michelin or Bridgestone. >> "No-Name Generic Tire"?? Falken has been making high-performance tires >> for years and makes no cheap tires for the masses. All their [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You'll have to excuse me if I don't believe they quite have the R&D budget > of a Michelin or Bridgestone. They probably don't pay for their R&D by screwing the owners on warranty adjustments like Michelin either. Are you looking to buy a tire or fund a research program? > They probably don't pay for their R&D by screwing the owners on warranty > adjustments like Michelin either. Are you looking to buy a tire or fund a > research program? No tire company is overly generous with their warranty programs. They're one of those items that are highly susceptible to owner abuse/lack of maintenance. If you have an article that shows Michelin regularly screws their customers on warranty claims, I'd be more than happy to read it. Every product you buy "funds a research program", I don't see your point. Out of the dozens of sets of tires I've owned, Michelins are the only brand that are consistently excellent, much like Asus computer motherboards (to use a frame of reference from my industry). I've had both excellent and lousy tires from other manufacturers, and until I get a bad tire from Michelin I have no reason to rethink my business with them. In my mind it's worth spending the extra bucks they charge knowing that I will get a tire that is trustworthy, quiet, and handles well in all road conditions. On 12/9/04 8:01 AM, in article o6SdnVfgLOpkxCXcRVn-qQ@comcast.com, "Rich" <richp@nospam.com> wrote: >> They probably don't pay for their R&D by screwing the owners on warranty >> adjustments like Michelin either. Are you looking to buy a tire or fund a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > maintenance. If you have an article that shows Michelin regularly screws > their customers on warranty claims, I'd be more than happy to read it. Just personal experience. Every Michelin I ever ever owned that failed has been adjusted at a fraction of what other tire makers allow > Every product you buy "funds a research program", I don't see your point. > Out of the dozens of sets of tires I've owned, Michelins are the only brand [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > worth spending the extra bucks they charge knowing that I will get a tire > that is trustworthy, quiet, and handles well in all road conditions. You clipped the post I was replying to - the research comment doesn't make sense when pulled out of context. The previous poster was dismissing all other tire brands other than Michelin and Bridgestone because they allegedly don't support massive R&D programs. In my personal experience, I have never had a Michelin tire live up to the hype. They have strange failures such as fist sized bubbles in the side wall that I have never experienced in any other brand of tire (they also won't adjust tires that fail this way). My mileage with Michelins has consistently been about half what they are rated. All other brands I have used (39 years of driving, at least a million miles) have consistently yielded better than rated tread life. This includes tires from 1972 to present. (also in my experience) For about half the price you can get Yokohamas or Toyos that handle just as well and last at least as long. My most recent Michelin "event" was just this past summer. A new Michelin tire on my 2000 TL failed prior to the first scheduled rotation (6000 miles). They insisted it was 50% worn, even though the tread was still 8/32 and the new ones on their floor only measured 9/32. This was the first time anybody ever tried to hold me up for $100 on a failed tire that hadn't even made it to one rotation. The explanation was that those were the guidelines from Michelin. There will be frost in Hell before Michelin (and that particular Costco) ever sees another penny from me. When you get that bad tire from Michelin (and you will) and try to get them to stand behind it, you will understand what I am saying. >>Why no Falken Ziex-512? It was rated #1 by consumer magazine, and they >>cost less than $500 for the set (mounted and balanced). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > because the sidewall ruptured or the tread seperated on your crappy generic > tires. Falken is a no name tire?!?! Not hardly... I recently puirchased a 2001 SE and need to replace my tires as well. I am going for the Falken 512's. The price is great as are the ratings on it. The 225/50/R17's are not an easy size to find. The only negative I've heard about them is that the sidewalls seem soft in cornering. I'm no race car driver so this does not worry me. Bob I recently puirchased a 2001 SE and need to replace my tires as well. I am going for the Falken 512's. The price is great as are the ratings on it. The 225/50/R17's are not an easy size to find. The only negative I've heard about them is that the sidewalls seem soft in cornering. I'm no race car driver so this does not worry me. Bob > I recently puirchased a 2001 SE and need to replace my tires as well. I am > going for the Falken 512's. The price is great as are the ratings on it. > The 225/50/R17's are not an easy size to find. The only negative I've > heard about them is that the sidewalls seem soft in cornering. I'm no race > car driver so this does not worry me. Bob I would go with the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. I am driving a Maxima 01 and love these tires. > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > BI I highly recommend the Pilot Sport A/S.. even though they're purported to be great winter tires which you don't need, they're top rated for wet weather. At 53K I replaced the Turanza EL42s on my 2K2 which still had a lot of tread, but were extremely hazardous on moderately wet roads. Almost as bad as the Potenza RE92s on my previous 2000 Max. The hydroplaning on either set got so bad that on occasion I had to pull off the highway since I couldn't safely sustain 40 mph.. junkboxes had no problem flying right past me.. it was ridiculous. The Pilots haven't seen snow yet, but boy what a difference driving them in the rain. I haven't felt this confident flying through the rain since the Dunlop D60-A2s on my old 1993 Max. The Dunlops (unfortunately discontinued) were only $55 and a lower speed rated tire, but I don't often do 100+mph. I was so sick of the scary ride on the Bridgestones that I went a bit overboard$$ and got the Pilots. I'm hooked. Sometimes I can hear the tires, but usually not. They are definitely louder though. The first week I had them it sounded like I was driving sticky rubber tires on sticky rubber roads.. but surprisingly their treadwear is rated much higher than the Bridgestones. If I get 50K of safe driving I'll be happy Research your list at Tirerack and buy there or at Costco, where I got mine. Got some good advice from this ng too... Pat Boy all you guys must have deep pockets! I have found that money does not = great tire in alot of cases. I have Kuhmo tires and they are highly rated and I trust my life to them. But if you have money to burn..... > I highly recommend the Pilot Sport A/S.. even though they're purported > to be great winter tires which you don't need, they're top rated for [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Pat >Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >not on list. All of your suggestions and comments will be very helpful and >greatly appreciated. Check out the Toyo Proxes TPT Here in Canada it has a 30 day trial offer, 100,000 km wear out warranty, 5 year road hazard protection, 5 year workmanship & materials warranty. www.toyocanada.com Try Toyo Proxes 4 or Toyo TPT. I recently put Proxes 4 on my 2000 I30 and they simply great. You can see that they have one of the best ratings at http://www.1010tires.com - great tire site btw. Try Toyo Proxes 4 or Toyo TPT. I recently put Proxes 4 on my 2000 I30 - they are great. You can find the ratings/reviews at http://www.1010tires.com/ - great tire site btw. BI", I went with 235/60's on my 2001 Maxima, these tires are a little taller > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > BI > BI", > I went with 235/60's on my 2001 Maxima, these tires are a little taller > and get the car higher off the ground Good luck, just don't get a speeding ticket because your speedometer is now incorrect. Dave |
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