I have a 2001 max SE 5 speed with about 25,000 miles, and was wondering about
gas mileage. I've noticed my mileage go down from about 380 or so on a tank to
about 350, sometimes even 340 a tank (or even less) now, I drive pretty easily,
usually make my shifts at 2K on the Tach (give or take) and dont' generally
accelerate fast. my driving habits haven't changed at all since I've gotten the
car last year. I live in RI where it gets fairly cold, I always make sure I
warm up the car for about 3-5 minutes before going (til the needle on the temp
is about 1/4 of the way up. now, coudl it be somethign I'm overlooking. is
there anything I shoudl do to my car at about 25,000. (fuel filter, plugs, air
filter, anything else?) I change my oil pretty much every 3,000 miles
(sometimes I'm over by about 100 miles, never more than that though.) any other
suggestions on how to get my mileage up a few MPG? (right now I figure I get a
little over 20 MPG), whe I used to hit a pretty consistant 22-23 MPG with the
AC on in the summer. thanks!
-Slick Nick
Mike - 06 Dec 2004 01:48 GMT
> I have a 2001 max SE 5 speed with about 25,000 miles, and was wondering about
> gas mileage. I've noticed my mileage go down from about 380 or so on a tank to
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> AC on in the summer. thanks!
> -Slick Nick
How's your tire pressure? If it is low it will cost you mpg. Cold
weather reduces pressure. Unless they are severly underinflated
this won't account for the 10% drop you've noted... but it might
be a factor...
Regards,
Mike
Pat@Boston.Harbor - 06 Dec 2004 11:43 GMT
This is pretty typical... a lot of 5th gens get only 300 miles per
tank (or less), including my former 2000 SE 5-speed and current 2002
GLE auto. The very best highway mileage I was able to eek out of the
2000 was only 21.5mpg.. with gentle driving. My 2002 gets similar.
Steve T - 06 Dec 2004 04:04 GMT
> I have a 2001 max SE 5 speed with about 25,000 miles, and was wondering
> about gas mileage. I've noticed my mileage go down from about 380 or so on
> a tank to about 350, sometimes even 340 a tank (or even less) now, I drive
> pretty easily, usually make my shifts at 2K on the Tach (give or take) and
> dont' generally accelerate fast. my driving habits haven't changed at all
> since I've gotten the car last year.
Are your trips the same length? I has a customer than changed jobs to one
closer to home and complained about MPG.

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maxima1 - 06 Dec 2004 13:30 GMT
Have you changed where you buy your gas, or have they converted
recently to a methanol blend? The alcohol blend will easily account for
a 10% loss in mileage, but so would low tire pressure or bad tires.
Does your car coast easily, or does it feel like there's a drag from
the tires?
Off course, warming up the car before taking off doesn't help the
mileage either...
Matthew
01 Max SE Auto
21.5 mpg average
habibe99 - 06 Dec 2004 16:08 GMT
I buy my gas at the same 2 stations I always do, my car coasts pretty easily, I
checked the tire pressure and it seems to be fine. from what I understod your
suposed to warm up your car a little before driving, espically in cold
weather. read something about the car's computer richening the gas mixture to
warm up the engine until the temp reaches a certian level then it leans it out.
(is this true) how would i knwo if my station changed it's blend? do they have
to post this somewhere?
>Have you changed where you buy your gas, or have they converted
>recently to a methanol blend? The alcohol blend will easily account for
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>01 Max SE Auto
>21.5 mpg average
-Slick Nick
maxima1 - 06 Dec 2004 18:25 GMT
If your station sells a methanol blend, it will have a sign on it that
states to the effect "Contains up to 10% Methanol".
Yes, the car runs a bit richer when cold but not very much so. If you
had an automatic, it would not shift into overdrive until the engine
warms up. The rationale for this is that it is important to warm up as
rapidly as practical without breaking anything. Towards that end, it is
wiser to warm the car for only a few seconds (maybe 30-60 secs if it is
extremely cold) and then commence driving at a moderate pace. No high
revs, but get some load on the engine.
The head and block warm up at different rates, and as they warm they
expand. During this transition, the cylinders are distorting and out of
round, which can cause wear on the engine. That is why most companies
want you to warm the car at a fast pace.
Good luck,
Matthew
01 Max SE
David Geesaman - 06 Dec 2004 18:38 GMT
> The head and block warm up at different rates, and as they warm they
> expand. During this transition, the cylinders are distorting and out of
> round, which can cause wear on the engine. That is why most companies
> want you to warm the car at a fast pace.
Interesting theory. I heard a different story - due to emissions
requirements, the are set to warm up fast to get the pre-cat and/or cats hot
ASAP, and that a gently warmup might be better for the mechanicals. Have
you heard this one (cause I don't know what to believe)
Dave
maxima1 - 07 Dec 2004 17:41 GMT
I have also heard that, and its one of the reasons that we have 4-wire
O2 sensors. But I've heard the warping cylinders theory for many more
years. Keep in mind that the stresses are very low when mildly driven,
and you get the oil and water (hopefully not together ) flowing for
best heat distrubution.
In any case, my father used to idle his cars for 10-15 minutes in the
winter and his cars burned oil before 100K miles. I rarely warm my cars
more than 2 minutes (waiting for my wife or kids, usually), and my cars
typically run like new well after 100K. I don't abuse them, usually
cruising at 20-40 mph, and I never stand on the pedal until I see the
temp gauge up at operating temperature.
Works for me anyway...
Matthew
01 Max SE
habibe99 - 08 Dec 2004 05:59 GMT
thanks for the info, neither of the stations I go to have a sign saying they
contain any methanol. are they required to have a sign? as far as warming
goes, I don't let the car warm for a while, and I always drive it gently when
it's cold til I see the temp gague get to it normal level. any other ideas why
my mileage has gone down? could it be time to service anything (plugs, fuel or
air filter, ext.) thanks
>If your station sells a methanol blend, it will have a sign on it that
>states to the effect "Contains up to 10% Methanol".
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>Matthew
>01 Max SE
-Slick Nick
lwilliams - 10 Dec 2004 20:46 GMT
Habibe99,
The 2001's have a very small gas tank, about 14 Gallons or less. Your car
is about like mine. You can almost watch the gas guage needle go down as
your drive along.
>I have a 2001 max SE 5 speed with about 25,000 miles, and was wondering
>about
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> AC on in the summer. thanks!
> -Slick Nick
habibe99 - 11 Dec 2004 05:57 GMT
umm, I was aware that it had a 16.5 galon tank, I usually put in about 15.5
galons when I fill up
>Habibe99,
>The 2001's have a very small gas tank, about 14 Gallons or less. Your car
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>> AC on in the summer. thanks!
>> -Slick Nick
-Slick Nick