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Maxima Headlights - Nissan settles with 02/03 NJ owners for $325k

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Dave Stone - 22 Jan 2006 15:32 GMT
Anyone get their Xenon headlights ripped off in NJ? If so, you may be
able to claim some cash...

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-2/113773632...

Maxima owners to get piece of $325,000 for headlight thefts
Friday, January 20, 2006
BY WAYNE PARRY
Associated Press

Owners of Nissan Maximas whose headlights were stolen between December
2002 and November 2003 will share in part of a $325,000 payment the
company is making to New Jersey to settle a lawsuit the state brought
over the thefts.

In March 2004, the state sued Nissan North America, alleging the
automaker failed to warn customers that the super-bright xenon headlights
on its Maximas were hot targets for thieves.

More than 750 car owners were victimized by thieves trying to steal the
moon-blue lights from 2002 or 2003 Maximas.

That lawsuit was dismissed, but the state appealed.

The settlement announced yesterday will end the state's appeal and
provide for a $325,000 payment to the state Division of Consumer Affairs.
Part of the money will be used to reimburse the state's investigative
costs, with the rest going to consumers who had their lights stolen, said
Peter Aseltine, a spokesman for the state Attorney General's Office.

He could not estimate how much individual vehicle owners might receive.
The headlights typically cost about $1,800 to replace -- not counting
repair costs for other damage done by thieves, which can bring the total
to $4,000 or more.

The thefts have spread like a rash throughout suburban neighborhoods,
with thieves targeting car dealerships and parking lots. In November,
about a dozen concertgoers at Continental Airlines Arena walked out after
a Bruce Springsteen concert to discover their headlights were plucked
out.

And on Monday, police in Morris Township said 12 sets of xenon headlights
were stolen from cars parked in business parking lots on Madison Avenue.
The headlights were worth about $2,000 per set and taken from Acura,
Infiniti and Lexus models.

Maplewood Police Capt. Walter Mueller said headlights were stolen
routinely last summer until the police department assigned two officers
to crack down on the thefts. The department made several arrests by the
end of the summer.

"We had a rash of those, but they abated," Mueller said.

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Mueller said police speculated the suspects were trying to sell the
headlights to chop shops.

The state said the company began a theft deterrent program in November
2003 that included free installation of a theft-deterrent bracket for the
lights.

But in its 2004 lawsuit, the state claimed Nissan knew that its lights
were being targeted by thieves for a year before telling customers about
it.

Frederique Le Greves, a spokeswoman for Nissan, said yesterday the
settlement was good for all parties.

"Really what is most important for us is the customer feedback," she
said. "We want them to be happy with their Maxima and continue to drive
it."

Le Greves said to her knowledge, no other state has taken legal action
like New Jersey has.

The state's lawsuit alleges that on Sept. 26, 2002, the company issued a
bulletin to its service technicians stating that a replacement connector
kit was available for the headlights damaged by theft.

Two months later, the lawsuit alleged, Nissan sent another bulletin to
service reps informing them that a $175 theft-deterrent kit was available
"if a customer requests" and "for customer pay only."
Justin Sane - 23 Jan 2006 22:39 GMT
<n> wrote in message news:11t79cr7u5npnaf@corp.supernews.com...

> Two months later, the lawsuit alleged, Nissan sent another bulletin to
> service reps informing them that a $175 theft-deterrent kit was available
> "if a customer requests" and "for customer pay only."

Try to buy one, there is NO such bird any longer.   Nissan should have
made these available at no or small cost to ANYONE that wants one on
their Maxima.   Thankfully my HID's are intact (knock on wood).
Codifus - 24 Jan 2006 00:07 GMT
> Anyone get their Xenon headlights ripped off in NJ? If so, you may be
> able to claim some cash...
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
> service reps informing them that a $175 theft-deterrent kit was available
> "if a customer requests" and "for customer pay only."
Why is Nissan stuck with the bill when Acura and Lexus suffered as well?
Nissan was the biggest victim?

I just find it odd that a car company should pay for this. What is this
world coming to? Does anyone remeber "sudden acceleration" and how it
almost put Audi out of business? The US Government issued a final report
years after the damage was done acknowledging that "sudden acceleration"
was a farce. It was just stupid drivers who couldn't deal with pedals
too close together, so they sued. Test drive the car, fool!

CD
Dave Stone - 24 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT
> Why is Nissan stuck with the bill when Acura and Lexus suffered as
> well? Nissan was the biggest victim?

Well, the 02-03s were in the headlights of insurance companies everywhere,
pardon the pun. Check the link. The HIDs were standard on all the Maximas
in that time and apparently were very easy to remove.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-10-18-theft-rates_x.htm

> I just find it odd that a car company should pay for this. What is
> this world coming to? Does anyone remeber "sudden acceleration" and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> couldn't deal with pedals too close together, so they sued. Test drive
> the car, fool!
Bitsbucket - 24 Jan 2006 21:36 GMT
> Nissan was the biggest victim?
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> CD
HERE HERE!!! I agree,
JEEZE now we are going to hold automobile manufactures responsible for
thefts???? Especially because they made a NICE car?  This is frivolous and
ridiculous. "Oh I bought a nice car and it got ripped off and the dealer did
not tell me it might be ripped off.....I WANT COMPENSATION!" BULLSHIT! get
real, I have several nice cars and I know they are subject to theft, parts
or the whole car, that is the price you pay for not driving a Ford Pinto! I
am sorry I just can't go along with this, it is equivalent to "the gun
jumped off the table and shot my friend" SOMEONE had their finger ON THE
TRIGGER! and most likely they fully intended to shoot the person.
I build custom computers for a living, am I now responsible to inform my
customers that they are targets for theft? Should I have to replace it (or
memory or hard drive or video card or any other part) FOR FREE because it
was stolen? Talk about putting the little guy out of business!!! GOOD
GRIEF!!!
I just can not buy into this......I guess I am glad some folks got their
money back, but it seems a little like bullshit to me.
Nissan should FIGHT LIKE HELL against this, these kind of things make your
warranty SUCK (less time, more "its not covered" and sh.t like that) You can
bet your bippy, that in the end YOU as Nissan owners will be the ones paying
for these shenanigans! AS will I being a Nissan owner X 2!
2Maximas

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feynmanfan88@yahoo.com - 24 Jan 2006 00:43 GMT
I'm curious.  What is the attraction of having this type of headlight.
Does it really improve the experience of night driving?  Is it
considered "cool", or what?

I'm not being facetious.  This is a sincere question.
Dave Stone - 24 Jan 2006 01:22 GMT
feynmanfan88@yahoo.com wrote in news:1138063410.704729.13700
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> I'm curious.  What is the attraction of having this type of headlight.
> Does it really improve the experience of night driving?  Is it
> considered "cool", or what?

Real HID headlight systems, the kind the car makers often charge several
thousand for (like on the Maxima), typically have a wider and brighter
beam. YMMV. HID lights are kind of a status thing as most new luxury cars
being sold today have them standard or available. They can even be optioned
on a few $20k cars like the VW Jetta and Mazda3. Nissan has them standard
on both the '06 350Z and G35 I think.

Do a google search for -Daniel Stern xenon- and you'll get a ton of hits
from the lighting expert.

> I'm not being facetious.  This is a sincere question.
Justin Sane - 24 Jan 2006 02:42 GMT
> I'm curious.  What is the attraction of having this type of headlight.
> Does it really improve the experience of night driving?  Is it
> considered "cool", or what?
>
> I'm not being facetious.  This is a sincere question.

It is a "cleaner" light to be sure.

I think the main reason that so many were stolen is obvious,
unscrupulous body shops.   Buy a set of stolen HIDs for
a Max from the thief, install them into a car under front end
repair, charge customer for a new set, make about $1500.
njmodi - 24 Jan 2006 03:03 GMT
Actually I think most were stolen by wannabe's on the road. If you
browse any of the automotive forums (hidplanet.com for example), the
18-20somethings measure their manlihood by their headlights these days.

Most of the users of these forums don't have cars that offer HIDs as
standard equipment - so they retro-fit projectors, ballasts and the
associated wiring into their existing headlamps.

All these retro-fit kits are out of other vehicles that offer
factory-installed HID kits.  Some source their parts legitamately, junk
yard pulls, etc., but others ... one word, Ebay.  And we all know how
legit a lot of the stuff on Ebay is ;)

Enough said.

Nirav
96 Max GLE, 128, w/crappy 9004s
Codifus - 24 Jan 2006 04:25 GMT
>>I'm curious.  What is the attraction of having this type of headlight.
>>Does it really improve the experience of night driving?  Is it
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> a Max from the thief, install them into a car under front end
> repair, charge customer for a new set, make about $1500.

Not necessarily cleaner. The slight blue tint was put in simply for
marketing reasons. If you look at the very first HIDs, like in the 99
Acura TL, the previous 2 generations of the Mercedes S class, they had
HIDs, but they weren't as distinguishable from regular headlights due to
the lack of tint and the fact that they were behind a regular headlight
lense, not a projector mechanism or the clear ones like in the 2002-03
Maxima. Once the market has settled down and HIDs become a de facto
standard, the blue tint will disappear and all HIDs will have a more
yellow look to them because slightly yellow light is better than blue,
especially in the rain or other adverse conditions.

CD
Wiikinki - 24 Jan 2006 15:53 GMT
..Enough said
Nira
96 Max GLE, 128, w/crappy 9004
Btw, its the stock wiring thats crappy from its birth: third of your electrons are lost heating the skinny wires, not enough to agitate the photons

Remedy: wiring upgrade. Boost voltage at lamps from 10 --->to 14V

click on http://www.cardomain.com/ride/748507/1
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/748000-748999/748507_189.jp
1. Wire to RH lamp relays, 2. Wire to LH lamp relays, 3. Wire to LH foglight relay, 4. Wire to RH foglight relay

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Wiikinki - 25 Jan 2006 13:15 GMT
I guess the Audi200 was first stock US sold car available to blondies, powerful enough to rip a carage door... Clearly this case was used to shield US markets from european cars

Installing brittle enormously overpiced bits in car corners doesnt happen w/o plan to ripoff customers with these parts. Dirty game. Buyers should steer away, and surely they will at least after ripoff, being laughed at (paying bills). From that point of view, Nissan gets what they 'deserve.

Legally this 'responsibility shift' to nissan is hillaryous logic: say its all right, problem left... [Lawyers Rule: local university statistics show, that books most stolen from its library, are lawbooks. Now what can we expect from these lawyers?

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Wiikinki - 27 Jan 2006 14:29 GMT
I...With the car running, I have 14.2V at the lamp connector.  I didn'
measure across the battery terminals with the car running...
Can you pls repeat your results with and without load (=lamp)

1. Idling, Voltage at lamp connector - when lamp is connected; LOAD ON =
2. Idling, Voltage at lamp connector - as lamp is disconnected; LOAD OFF =
3. Idling, Voltage at batt. (just interested

1. - 2. = transitional resistance loss.
Fractions of volts 'do not matter', half volt and upwards brighness difference can be perceived with eyes..

The brightness difference between stock thinny wires vs. thick wiring is enormous, easy to DIY tst. Other  issues are the lamp assy reflector condition, bulb age, type

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Wiikinki - 28 Jan 2006 08:48 GMT
..didn't seem to have enough space to back-probe it...Cheers..
No 'space' needed.

Sorry, u have to stay content with your oil lamps

My lamps are more than 30% brighter than yours. Of course this voltage, filament brightness increase consumes lamps 50% faster, but theyre cheap, see www.cardomain.com/memberpage/748507/1

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Wiikinki - 28 Jan 2006 15:13 GMT
I....You've measured all the correct voltages, ...Cheers
Voltages are correct. lol. And squirrels carry the electrons in a plastic bag..

CURRENT
Hmmm. what is that

VOLTAGE
Hmmm. what is that. [smtg yall ppl all correct or whatever?

LOAD.
Hmmm. what is that.

NOLOAD.
Hmmm. what is that. Any difference to LOAD? Naah, be happy dont compare, troublsome..

CONNECTOR(s) TRANSITION RESISTANC
Hmmm. what is that

WIRE RESISTANC
Hmmm. what is that

&#8486; LAW
Hmmm. what is that. A sweet

Calculate. Hmm. What&Why??? At least yall ppl. DO NOT TEST -or- measure -or- click for info! It would take multiple minutes. ...just complain

This circ example pic doesnt yet count Nissan switches and relays contact transition resistances
http://www.faqs.org/docs/electric/DC/00277.pn

DONT click
http://www.faqs.org/docs/electric/DC/DC_12.htm
http://www.faqs.org/docs/electric/Exper/EXP_3.htm
http://www.al-imanschool.com/pages/Intro2.htm#on

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Wiikinki - 28 Jan 2006 19:42 GMT
..Halogen bulbs get weaker with age. Maybe your bulbs have dimmed due to time...
This is true. Easy to change..

Wirings, connectors do age also along oxidation. Smtg can be done: Cleanup, connector grease to contacts (Volvo recommends on fuses, why not); see page 10, 14

Voltage boost with shorter, lenght only 1/4, thick wires gives biggest boost on visibility

Foglight example at http://www.cardomain.com/ride/748507/11
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/748000-748999/748507_188.jp

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/748000-748999/748507_98.jp

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Wiikinki - 29 Jan 2006 07:25 GMT
"I don't see why any other measurement matters·
- how about education

"they would melt or overheat
- lol. how about calculating the loss wattage per square inch

"...perhaps getting a little ahead of yourself":
1. When you do not educate uself,
2. calculate the loss,
3. neither have the guts to take lamp off for measurement,
4. OR do empirical test with thicker shorter wire stump ..

.. then rest in your ignorant self-assurance and be content with u oil lamps.

End of story

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Wiikinki - 29 Jan 2006 15:01 GMT
.. Now I just want to do it for the sake of doing it.  :) ...Cheers
Now this sounds better. Empirical test passion instead of denial for denials sake

More than three ways to tst
1. I took the connector off. Placed probe. Pushed connector until light comes on. Recorded measurement.
2. Take connector off. Install thin bare wire end into the lamp connector pin hole.  (See pic, the end of red line, theres a hole.) Push connector until light comes on, locks measurement wire. Measure from the thin wire other end. Record measurement
3. Take bulb out. Place it on ol newspaper, right on the lamp. Push connector until light comes on. Measure, but dont short.
Record measurement
4. ??? just imagination limit..

Whatever the result is, your eyes will decide. That is why find two feet of electrical cord, connect it to an extra std 9004 bulb test connector. Connect wires Ground & HiBeam to it. Remove original connector, install your test connector. Connect wires direct to battery poles

The end result should be that you have one lamp connected with a thick wire direct to battery, other side is still the skinnythinny long -stock- wiring. Compare. Now your eyes will tell the difference, no need for calculations or measurements. If you dont see any difference, well. What do I say then? Hmm. Buy new Maxima

There is a huge difference

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