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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / September 2006Nissan Fraud. Regular gas
Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says regular it should run on regular. None of this bullshit. The manual cleary says Premium, the gas cap says Premium, all the reveiws of this car say premium,,, Nissan is hiding nothing,,, The maxima has always run on Premium. The engine is optimized to use Premium. The manual says the car will run on Reg for short periods of time if premium is not available. Please list the High Performance Engines that run on regular,,,,??? Pre ignition damage to the engine is not covered under the warrantee,,,that is considered abuse. Unbielvable,,somebody buys a $30,000 car, and bitchs about spending an extra $100 a year on gas,,,?????????????????? I he wanted to save money on gas, he should have bought a Sentra. and as another poster noted, its going to get 5 to 10 percent better mileage using premium, as well as have more horse power, and better accleration - SO WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU NOT USE PREMIUM...??? >Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says regular it >should run on regular. >None of this bullshit. > The manual cleary says Premium, the gas cap says Premium, all the > reveiws of this car say premium,,, Nissan is hiding nothing,,, The [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>should run on regular. >>None of this bullshit. === I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my 98 Maxse when gas is needed? > === > I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was > driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my 98 > Maxse when gas is needed? Where was that (out of curiosity)? Go to different station,,? Drive the Kia,,,??? >> The manual cleary says Premium, the gas cap says Premium, all the >> reveiws of this car say premium,,, Nissan is hiding nothing,,, The [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my 98 >Maxse when gas is needed? 1 ) pump 89, 2) go inside and buy some octane boost additive. 3) drive off > I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was > driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my 98 > Maxse when gas is needed? >1 ) pump 89, > 2) go inside and buy some octane boost additive. > 3) drive off === Well around my crime infested cowtown getting away from you'r Auto or Truck just to pump gas puts you in harms way. Going inside the store really lays you open to attack. I don't wish to have to draw my XD-45 and waste some attacking jerk. But I sure would do it in a heartbeat if I felt threatened. I just get some injecter cleaner from a local Wally World and keep looking over my shoulder and hope for the best with what ever gas I can find. > I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was > driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my 98 > Maxse when gas is needed? 1) pump 87 2) Go inside and buy octane boost fuel additive 3) drive off >>The manual cleary says Premium, the gas cap says Premium, all the >>reveiws of this car say premium,,, Nissan is hiding nothing,,, The [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my 98 > Maxse when gas is needed? Fill it with 87. What's the issue here? It won't perform its best, and it may ping more, but it will work. Just . . . DONT expect the best performance DONT expect better gas mileage DONT expect a quiet, smooth ride, etc etc. 87 will work, but Maximas prefer premium. CD > I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was > driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my > 98 Maxse when gas is needed? One tank of 87 won't kill the car. I just wouldn't do more than a couple a year, and NEVER consecutively. Try to use octane booster as well, and also try not to do it on an empty tank. >>I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was >>driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > year, and NEVER consecutively. Try to use octane booster as well, and also > try not to do it on an empty tank. I owned a 2004 Maxima for almost 2 years and always use 87 octane. Never had a problem. I did try 89 once to see if it made any gas mileage or performance difference, it did not. So if it runs on 87 without pinging, use 87. more than often,,,the reg you buy is actually premium,,, it only cost a few cents a gallon to make the reg stock feed into premium,,at the tank farm. often, its not worth the cost to send 2 shipments, or use a divided truck, to the station, or they have extra premium that they didnt sell. That said,,the octane rating is a guaranteed "minimum".... and if you blow up your maximas engine, due to pre ignition, because your to dam cheap, after paying 30 grand for a car, to use premium,,,then you deserve what idiots deserved. >>>I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I was >>>driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do about my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >mileage or performance difference, it did not. So if it runs on 87 >without pinging, use 87. > more than often,,,the reg you buy is actually premium,,, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >mileage or performance difference, it did not. So if it runs on 87 > >without pinging, use 87. I purchased my 98 GXE with 37k on the odometer. I later found out the car was registered as a rental Car with Avis. Who puts high octane gas in a rental?!!! I know I don't!!! I've got 147k on the odometer now. The first 5k that I had the car, I used 93. Afterward, when gas prices started creeping up I talked to a certified nissan mechanic (who is now my personal mechanic on all 3 of our Nissans). He said that the reccomendation for high octane is only a recommendation and not a requirement. He said the car will be fine so I opted for 87 and have been using it ever since. There is a slight performance decrease and slight decrease in fuel economy but the way gas prices are today to me it's not worth the extra money for the 93 and the car still runs good. I find it hard to believe that after more than 100k all that 87 that I put in the car was really 93. If a certified Nissan mechanic says my car will run on 87 with no problems, he uses it in his Nissan, and I get 100k out a used car using 87 then it's probably okay to use 87. Unless a car is highly modified I don't think using 87 is going to harm the car. Watch words here,,,: "Probably", and "I don't think" - for 50 or 100 bucks a year more, you would risk your engine based on that????? So your Nissan Certified Tech knows more than the Nissan Engineers that designed the car,,? Why would Nissan recommend premium,(91 oct),? Its certainly not a good marketing move,,,,,and they are certianly not guilty of any "fraud" as the first ranting poster contended. Also your engine is not the same as the one in the 2000 and later. Even if I concede that "probably" it will not shorten engine life, why buy a performance sedan, and then run around with the timing fully retarded 24/7...??? Its like filling the trunk with bricks,,,,,that "probably" would not damage the car, but who wants to drive around like that? This thread has been talked about to exhaustion on maxima.org - overwhelming conclusion by people who know is to use 91 oct or better - just like the gas cap says. >> more than often,,,the reg you buy is actually premium,,, >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >Unless a car is highly modified I don't think using 87 is going to harm >the car. wrote: > Watch words here,,,: > > "Probably", and "I don't think" - for 50 or 100 bucks a year more, > you would risk your engine based on that????? Don't drive much do you? Someone else buying your gas? If you fill once a week, $100 isn't close to what the difference is. Try again. This site might give you some help: http://www.oppi.gc.ca/price_map_e.cfm If you do a 60 liter weekly fill, you will use over 3000 liters per year. Notice how the price is, almost everywhere, at LEAST 10c per liter between regular and premuim. Can you do the rest of the math? When your parents are making you car payment for you, gas prices might not mean much. Maybe you thought everyone here was American. If so, then try here for your price: http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/AZavg.asp > So your Nissan Certified Tech knows more than the Nissan Engineers > that designed the car,,? You obviously haven't dealt with many engineers. Many design something that looks very pretty but can't realistically be serviced, etc. You are obviously so good at your job that you never need/get any feedback. Go figure. > Why would Nissan recommend premium,(91 oct),? Its certainly not a > good marketing move, They can recommend it for maximum performance. Kind of stating the obvious though. The manual says you don't need it. > Also your engine is not the same as the one in the 2000 and later. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bricks,,,,,that "probably" would not damage the car, but who wants > to drive around like that? The people that don't use premuim gas. Are you so thick that you believe the only reason people buy a Maxima is for the performance? Do you also suggest that running 87 makes the timing fully retard? Keep to what you are good at and that isn't what you are debating. > This thread has been talked about to exhaustion on maxima.org - > overwhelming conclusion by people who know is to use 91 oct or > better - just like the gas cap says. Overwhelming? Perhaps to one that WANTS to hear that. Are you so easily convinced about everything in life that you know little about? My gas cap says no such thing. It says to be sure it is tight or the Service Engine light might come on. The door says "Premium fuel is recommended for maximum performance". Notice mow it says 'recommended' and not 'must be used'? That is a small but important difference a chemical engineer may not get. Most others do. > Are you so thick that you > believe the only reason people buy a Maxima is for the performance? OK, why not buy a Taurus and save $15k? I traded my Taurus for my maxima --\\Trust me, you do not want to buy a Taurus even to save 15 grand,,,LOL BTW - my Taurus owners manual said it would "run" on 84 octane with 87 or better recommended, So I guess Ford is commiting the same "fraud" that Nissan is accused of. >> Are you so thick that you >> believe the only reason people buy a Maxima is for the performance? > >OK, why not buy a Taurus and save $15k? Looks like great minds think alike. I traded my 2000 Taurus with 900 miles for my 2000 Maxima GLE. I took a $3000 bath on the Taurus that was worth every penny. I still have the Maxima with 118,000 miles and I love it. ================================== >I traded my Taurus for my maxima --\\Trust me, you do not want to buy >a Taurus even to save 15 grand,,,LOL [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >>OK, why not buy a Taurus and save $15k? Chuck You are my hero - it only took you 900 miles to realize what a POS the Taurus/Sable was,, I spent 52,000 grueling miles, throwing out wheel barrels full of cash to keep that money pit rolling,,, Head gaskets - $2200 (when was the last time you ever heard of head gaskets failing,,,??????) Then the water pump, then the front seal, then the back seals, (the dam thing leaked fluid from every seam,,,I use to call it the Exxon Valdez..), power steerng pump, you mention a pump I replaced it. 2 complete repairs of the AC - and it still didn't work. not a power accessorie on that car still worked after 5 years,,,,a crow bar wouldnt roll down the windows,,LOL I ended up selling it to a company that needed my model and year to do a crash test - I kid you not on that,,, So I guess thats why I do not feel spending $600 bucks at my Nissan dealer to get something fixed right is a big deal. >Looks like great minds think alike. I traded my 2000 Taurus with 900 >miles for my 2000 Maxima GLE. I took a $3000 bath on the Taurus that [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>>OK, why not buy a Taurus and save $15k? > Then the water pump, then the front seal, then the back seals, (the > dam thing leaked fluid from every seam,,,I use to call it the Exxon > Valdez..), power steerng pump, you mention a pump I replaced it. Hah, we call my wife's Explorer the "Valdez" due to excessive fuel consumption. We have a 2nd child coming within the week, and her lease on that POS is up in 7 months or so. She only buys domestics, due to her UAW family. I honestly have no idea what to do - the Ford Edge looks promising, but we played the "first model year Ford" game with the Escape. It wasn't a BAD vehicle, but we did only have it for 30k miles or so. The transmission was slipping, so we traded it before it self destructed. The only UAW-made family hauler I can think of are the GM minivans, which are completely awful and from the mesazoic period. It's a shame, because the '07 Quest looks really, really nice. My folks have an '04, which was problematic in the beginning but fine now. The Quest is really a Ford. If they still make the Mercury Villager, it is the same thing. On 9/6/06 7:19 AM, in article YdzLg.1904$vb1.69@newsfe04.lga, "Rich" <rich@nospam.com> wrote: >> Then the water pump, then the front seal, then the back seals, (the >> dam thing leaked fluid from every seam,,,I use to call it the Exxon [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the '07 Quest looks really, really nice. My folks have an '04, which was > problematic in the beginning but fine now. > The Quest is really a Ford. If they still make the Mercury Villager, it > is > the same thing. Unfortunately, that's no longer the case, unless I'm shopping used (2002 or prior). The '04 and up Quests are made by Nissan in the U.S. by non-union workers, and Ford has nothing to do with it anymore. > On 9/6/06 7:19 AM, in article YdzLg.1904$vb1.69@newsfe04.lga, "Rich" > <rich@nospam.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> the '07 Quest looks really, really nice. My folks have an '04, which was >> problematic in the beginning but fine now. Oh, well... I guess you're screwed, then. I don't debate that the unions are necessary. You don't have to look very far back in history to see why. But if the products produced by union workers continue to be overpriced and sub-standard, they aren't going to be around much longer. The rest of the world will see to it. On 9/7/06 7:34 AM, in article 4zULg.197$fK7.131@newsfe03.lga, "Rich" <rich@nospam.com> wrote: >> The Quest is really a Ford. If they still make the Mercury Villager, it >> is [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>> the '07 Quest looks really, really nice. My folks have an '04, which was >>> problematic in the beginning but fine now. >>> I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since I >>> was driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will I do [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > performance difference, it did not. So if it runs on 87 without > pinging, use 87. You probably never pushed it hard enough to tell the difference. Running on 87 will cause the timing to retard, especially in hot weather. >> I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since >> I was driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > couple a year, and NEVER consecutively. Try to use octane booster > as well, and also try not to do it on an empty tank. Garbage. I have burned plenty of 87 in my 2005 and it NEVER pings. I have tried a comparison of regular and premium on several long trips. The car does perform better as well as gets a bit better gas mileage with premium. The thing is, the cost per mile is about the same. I get more miles with premuim but it costs more. Actually, it sometimes cost quite a bit more as I tend to step on it more when it has premium in it and the mileage goes way down. >>> I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. Since >>> I was driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But what will [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > quite a bit more as I tend to step on it more when it has premium in it > and the mileage goes way down. Modern cars shouldn't ping, because the knock sensor and electronics will adjust the ignition timing. I've used both premium and regular in my Max and I can't tell the difference. Maybe it makes a few tenths of a second difference in 0-60 or 1/4 mile times, but who gives a rats a.s. With all the traffic on the roads today, you very seldom get a chance to open it up, anyway. Check out your average speed on the trip computer and see how slow you are really travelling. >>>> I was in a station today and they had only 87 in all pumps. >>>> Since I was driving my Kia Sorento it was not a problem. But [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Check out your average speed on the trip computer and see how slow > you are really travelling. Hey, I agree with you ;) > Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says regular > it should run on regular. > None of this bullshit. It is "tuned" to run on premium. If you don't care about your engine's performance, why the hell would you buy a Maxima? Really, I'm dying to know, because nobody who bitches about using premium in this car has ever been able to answer that question. Then it should say in the manual, "Use Premium Gas"but it does NOT! >> Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says regular >> it should run on regular. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > buy a Maxima? Really, I'm dying to know, because nobody who bitches about > using premium in this car has ever been able to answer that question. > Then it should say in the manual, "Use Premium Gas"but it does NOT! If your tires are bald at 30k, but the treadwear designation says 40k, are you going to put yourself/family at risk and drive it that last 10k because "that's what the manual says", or swap them out? Use some common sense, man. The reason his/yours/whoever's engine pings on regular gas is because you're driving the car with a lead foot (which is why you presumably chose a Maxima). If you drive it like an old lady, I'm sure 87 octane is fine. This whole discussion reminds me of the people who complain because their gas mileage doesn't match what's on the sticker. These same people use entrance ramps like they're qualifying for NASCAR and then set the cruise at 85(mph). The premium gas/Maxima discussion is a pet peeve of mine. It's like someone buying a BMW and complaining about the harsh ride. The gas complainers and the ride complainers need to be driving Buicks, and staying the hell away from sport sedans. >>> Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says regular >>> it should run on regular. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> about using premium in this car has ever been able to answer that >> question. > The reason his/yours/whoever's > engine pings on regular gas is because you're driving the car with > a lead foot (which is why you presumably chose a Maxima). If you > drive it like an old lady, I'm sure 87 octane is fine. As I have said, I drive my Maxima fairly hard and it uses 87 with NO ping...EVER. you are very hard of hearing,,,, >> The reason his/yours/whoever's >> engine pings on regular gas is because you're driving the car with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >As I have said, I drive my Maxima fairly hard and it uses 87 with NO >ping...EVER. wrote: > you are very hard of hearing,,,, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>As I have said, I drive my Maxima fairly hard and it uses 87 with NO >>ping...EVER. Not at all but you seem very thick. >> Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says >> regular it should run on regular. >> None of this bullshit. > > It is "tuned" to run on premium. Horse poop, that is why it has a knock sensor. Timing etc are set by the ecm. > If you don't care about your engine's performance, why the hell > would you buy a Maxima? Really, I'm dying to know, because nobody > who bitches about using premium in this car has ever been able to > answer that question. I bought mine because, at the time, no manufacturer made a car like it that performed well. I rarely use premium in mine but I still bougt it for the performance. You can't 'get' that? > I bought mine because, at the time, no manufacturer made a car like it > that performed well. I rarely use premium in mine but I still bougt it > for the performance. You can't 'get' that? If you always put 87 octane in a Maxima, you're going to have problems. The only other explanation is that the 87 octane you're putting in.. isn't really 87 octane. It happens, and is more common than you'd think. I used to live by a Mobil who used to run premium for 87, 89, and 91 all the time. Not sure why they did it. Premium is made at the local Tank Farm, and only costs a few cents a gallon to make - all they do is add additional antiknock additives to the reg stock fuel. Often its not worth the expense to send out a divided truck, or seperate trucks, so they just get all Premium. Sometimes they have excess premium and are low on reg, so they transfer the premium to the reg tank. Thing is you never know - people claiming there maxima runs fine on Reg gas, are most likely not actually buying regular gas. However it only take a few occurances of severe pre ignition to damage the engine, so for maybe extre 100 bucks a year for Premium its not worth the risk. >> I bought mine because, at the time, no manufacturer made a car like it >> that performed well. I rarely use premium in mine but I still bougt it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to live by a Mobil who used to run premium for 87, 89, and 91 all the time. >Not sure why they did it. > Take the car back and have it tuned properly. If the manual says regular it > should run on regular. > None of this bullshit. For whatever it's worth........1996 Max., 150K on the clock and have always run 87 octane. Never pinged and is still very quick off the line. Go figure..... |
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