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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / August 2006Fuel recommendation
From my 2005 Maxima handbook...you decide FUEL RECOMMENDATION Use unleaded regular gasoline with an octane rating of at least 87 AKI (Anti-Knock Index) number (Research octane number 91). For improved vehicle performance, NISSAN recommends the use of unleaded premium gasoline with an octane rating of at least 91 AKI number (Research octane number 96). CAUTION Using a fuel other than that specified could adversely affect the emission control system, and may also affect the warranty coverage. under no circumstances should a leaded gasoline be used, because this will damage the three-way catalyst. Gasoline specifications NISSAN recommends using gasoline that meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications where it is available. Many of the automobile manufacturers developed this specification to improve emission system and vehicle performance. Ask your service station manager if the gasoline meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications. Reformulated gasoline Some fuel suppliers are now producing reformulated gasolines. These gasolines are specially designed to reduce vehicle emissions. NISSAN supports efforts towards cleaner air and suggests that you use reformulated gasoline when available. Gasoline containing oxygenates Some fuel suppliers sell gasoline containing oxygenates such as ethanol, MTBE and methanol with or without advertising their presence. NISSAN does not recommend the use of fuels of which the oxygenate content and the fuel compatibility for your NISSAN cannot be readily determined. If in doubt, ask your service station manager. If you use oxygenate-blend gasoline, please take the following precautions as the usage of such fuels may cause vehicle performance problems and/or fuel system damage. . The fuel should be unleaded and have an octane rating no lower than that recommended for unleaded gasoline. . If an oxygenate-blend other than methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 10% oxygenate. (MTBE may, however, be added up to 15%.) . If a methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 5% methanol (methyl alcohol, wood alcohol). It should also contain a suitable amount of appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors. If not properly formulated with appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors, such methanol blends may cause fuel system damage and/or vehicle performance problems. At this time, sufficient data is not available to ensure that all methanol blends are suitable for use in NISSAN vehicles. If any driveability problems such as engine stalling and difficult hot-starting are experienced after using oxygenate-blend fuels, immediately change to a non-oxygenate fuel or a fuel with a low blend of MTBE. Shawn From my 2005 Maxima handbook...you decide FUEL RECOMMENDATION Use unleaded regular gasoline with an octane rating of at least 87 AKI (Anti-Knock Index) number (Research octane number 91). For improved vehicle performance, NISSAN recommends the use of unleaded premium gasoline with an octane rating of at least 91 AKI number (Research octane number 96). CAUTION Using a fuel other than that specified could adversely affect the emission control system, and may also affect the warranty coverage. under no circumstances should a leaded gasoline be used, because this will damage the three-way catalyst. Gasoline specifications NISSAN recommends using gasoline that meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications where it is available. Many of the automobile manufacturers developed this specification to improve emission system and vehicle performance. Ask your service station manager if the gasoline meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications. Reformulated gasoline Some fuel suppliers are now producing reformulated gasolines. These gasolines are specially designed to reduce vehicle emissions. NISSAN supports efforts towards cleaner air and suggests that you use reformulated gasoline when available. Gasoline containing oxygenates Some fuel suppliers sell gasoline containing oxygenates such as ethanol, MTBE and methanol with or without advertising their presence. NISSAN does not recommend the use of fuels of which the oxygenate content and the fuel compatibility for your NISSAN cannot be readily determined. If in doubt, ask your service station manager. If you use oxygenate-blend gasoline, please take the following precautions as the usage of such fuels may cause vehicle performance problems and/or fuel system damage. . The fuel should be unleaded and have an octane rating no lower than that recommended for unleaded gasoline. . If an oxygenate-blend other than methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 10% oxygenate. (MTBE may, however, be added up to 15%.) . If a methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 5% methanol (methyl alcohol, wood alcohol). It should also contain a suitable amount of appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors. If not properly formulated with appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors, such methanol blends may cause fuel system damage and/or vehicle performance problems. At this time, sufficient data is not available to ensure that all methanol blends are suitable for use in NISSAN vehicles. If any driveability problems such as engine stalling and difficult hot-starting are experienced after using oxygenate-blend fuels, immediately change to a non-oxygenate fuel or a fuel with a low blend of MTBE. Shawn === What I understand is there is nolonger any MTBE. being allowed to be used. Now it's Ethanol that is replacing the MTBE. and thats not really good. It should say, "Use regular gasoline (which is a rip off) Thanks for buying a 30,000 dollar car, which runs like crap, because we can't get it to run properly unless you pay extra for the next 100,000 miles (or so) for premium. "The Axelrods" <saxelrod@mts.net> wrote in message news:7IbAg.724$pt3.103@newsfe22.lga... From my 2005 Maxima handbook...you decide FUEL RECOMMENDATION Use unleaded regular gasoline with an octane rating of at least 87 AKI (Anti-Knock Index) number (Research octane number 91). For improved vehicle performance, NISSAN recommends the use of unleaded premium gasoline with an octane rating of at least 91 AKI number (Research octane number 96). CAUTION Using a fuel other than that specified could adversely affect the emission control system, and may also affect the warranty coverage. under no circumstances should a leaded gasoline be used, because this will damage the three-way catalyst. Gasoline specifications NISSAN recommends using gasoline that meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications where it is available. Many of the automobile manufacturers developed this specification to improve emission system and vehicle performance. Ask your service station manager if the gasoline meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications. Reformulated gasoline Some fuel suppliers are now producing reformulated gasolines. These gasolines are specially designed to reduce vehicle emissions. NISSAN supports efforts towards cleaner air and suggests that you use reformulated gasoline when available. Gasoline containing oxygenates Some fuel suppliers sell gasoline containing oxygenates such as ethanol, MTBE and methanol with or without advertising their presence. NISSAN does not recommend the use of fuels of which the oxygenate content and the fuel compatibility for your NISSAN cannot be readily determined. If in doubt, ask your service station manager. If you use oxygenate-blend gasoline, please take the following precautions as the usage of such fuels may cause vehicle performance problems and/or fuel system damage. . The fuel should be unleaded and have an octane rating no lower than that recommended for unleaded gasoline. . If an oxygenate-blend other than methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 10% oxygenate. (MTBE may, however, be added up to 15%.) . If a methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 5% methanol (methyl alcohol, wood alcohol). It should also contain a suitable amount of appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors. If not properly formulated with appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors, such methanol blends may cause fuel system damage and/or vehicle performance problems. At this time, sufficient data is not available to ensure that all methanol blends are suitable for use in NISSAN vehicles. If any driveability problems such as engine stalling and difficult hot-starting are experienced after using oxygenate-blend fuels, immediately change to a non-oxygenate fuel or a fuel with a low blend of MTBE. Shawn === What I understand is there is nolonger any MTBE. being allowed to be used. Now it's Ethanol that is replacing the MTBE. and thats not really good. It's more like, "We timed the engine to run on premium gas because the vast majority of the customers who buy a Maxima are interested in the performance aspects of the car. Cheap idiots need not apply." It should say, "Use regular gasoline (which is a rip off) Thanks for buying a 30,000 dollar car, which runs like crap, because we can't get it to run properly unless you pay extra for the next 100,000 miles (or so) for premium. From my 2005 Maxima handbook...you decide FUEL RECOMMENDATION Use unleaded regular gasoline with an octane rating of at least 87 AKI (Anti-Knock Index) number (Research octane number 91). For improved vehicle performance, NISSAN recommends the use of unleaded premium gasoline with an octane rating of at least 91 AKI number (Research octane number 96). CAUTION Using a fuel other than that specified could adversely affect the emission control system, and may also affect the warranty coverage. under no circumstances should a leaded gasoline be used, because this will damage the three-way catalyst. Gasoline specifications NISSAN recommends using gasoline that meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications where it is available. Many of the automobile manufacturers developed this specification to improve emission system and vehicle performance. Ask your service station manager if the gasoline meets the World-Wide Fuel Charter specifications. Reformulated gasoline Some fuel suppliers are now producing reformulated gasolines. These gasolines are specially designed to reduce vehicle emissions. NISSAN supports efforts towards cleaner air and suggests that you use reformulated gasoline when available. Gasoline containing oxygenates Some fuel suppliers sell gasoline containing oxygenates such as ethanol, MTBE and methanol with or without advertising their presence. NISSAN does not recommend the use of fuels of which the oxygenate content and the fuel compatibility for your NISSAN cannot be readily determined. If in doubt, ask your service station manager. If you use oxygenate-blend gasoline, please take the following precautions as the usage of such fuels may cause vehicle performance problems and/or fuel system damage. . The fuel should be unleaded and have an octane rating no lower than that recommended for unleaded gasoline. . If an oxygenate-blend other than methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 10% oxygenate. (MTBE may, however, be added up to 15%.) . If a methanol blend is used, it should contain no more than 5% methanol (methyl alcohol, wood alcohol). It should also contain a suitable amount of appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors. If not properly formulated with appropriate solvents and corrosion inhibitors, such methanol blends may cause fuel system damage and/or vehicle performance problems. At this time, sufficient data is not available to ensure that all methanol blends are suitable for use in NISSAN vehicles. If any driveability problems such as engine stalling and difficult hot-starting are experienced after using oxygenate-blend fuels, immediately change to a non-oxygenate fuel or a fuel with a low blend of MTBE. Shawn === What I understand is there is nolonger any MTBE. being allowed to be used. Now it's Ethanol that is replacing the MTBE. and thats not really good. > It's more like, > > "We timed the engine to run on premium gas because the vast > majority of the customers who buy a Maxima are interested in the > performance aspects of the car. Cheap idiots need not apply." The engine is timed by the ECM. If it sees premium gas, it compensates just like it does for regular. Only with certian limits,,,mine pings like crazy on reg under hard acceleration, made harder by the need for the ECU to severely retard the timing. It even pings slightly on Premium - but if you read the maual, this is normal,, The engine is high compression,,it needs premium to perform and last at its best,,, Again,,,why the F**** does this thread keep coming up...????? Acuras, Mercedes, BMWs, Porches, and many more HIGH PERFORMANCE Sedans,,,,,,recomend PREMIUM,,, For Christs Sake....ITS ONLY 5 percent more,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> It's more like, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The engine is timed by the ECM. If it sees premium gas, it compensates >just like it does for regular. wrote: > Only with certian limits,,,mine pings like crazy on reg under hard > acceleration, made harder by the need for the ECU to severely > retard the timing. It even pings slightly on Premium - but if you > read the maual, this is normal,, Only the initial ping. Once the knock sensor hears that, the timing is adjusted. If it continues to ping, it is wrong. > The engine is high compression,,it needs premium to perform and > last at its best,,, Perform, yes. Last, no. Do you work for an oil company or something? > Again,,,why the F**** does this thread keep coming up...????? > Acuras, Mercedes, BMWs, Porches, and many more HIGH PERFORMANCE > Sedans,,,,,,recomend PREMIUM,,, Key word here is recommend. > For Christs Sake....ITS ONLY 5 percent > more I guess that you don't get that that is NOT the issue . No you do not understand the issue,,the charge was that Nissan was commiting fraud,,,THEY ARE NOT,,,,,,,<<<<<<<<<< The answer is, if you buy a car that recommends premium,,use premium,,or do not buy the car,,,, If you want to drive a Sentra,,but a Sentra,,,, Dont buy a High Performance Car and risk engine damage using crappy fuel,,,,one tank of sub par regular, and you blow a piston, you could have bought premium gas for it for 100 years,,,, Your are a moron, and I am a certified chemical engineer with over 20 years of experience,,,I understand combustion physics - can you even spell it,,? > wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >I guess that you don't get that that is NOT the issue . wrote: > Dont buy a High Performance Car and risk engine damage using > crappy fuel,,,,one tank of sub par regular, and you blow a piston, > you could have bought premium gas for it for 100 years,,,, Ever heard of warranty? > Your are a moron, and I am a certified chemical engineer with over > 20 years of experience,,,I understand combustion physics - can you > even spell it,,? I am a mechanic by trade. You are a chemical engineer and are clearly out of your element. Tell me how gasoline is made, do not try to tell me how the car works. You could no more tell me how an internal combustion engine, with an ECU system, and an anti knock sensor works; than my plumber could explain how gravity and the unified field theory makes my toilet flush,,,, The warrantee will not cover pre ignition damage to the engine,,,and even if it did,,apparently running a car more than 60,000 miles isn't in your book of tricks,,, Its simply DUMB to infer, recommend, or advocate running sub standard fuel in a high performance vehicle that up front tells you you need premium for optimum performance. One sub standard tank of Reg gas, that the ECU can not retard the timing enough on and you have got 7 grand worth of scrap metal under the hood. But then again,,,you are a mechanic, and thats how you make your living - fixing broken things. > wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >out of your element. Tell me how gasoline is made, do not try to tell >me how the car works. wrote: > You could no more tell me how an internal combustion engine, with > an ECU system, and an anti knock sensor works; than my plumber > could explain how gravity and the unified field theory makes my > toilet flush,,,, Care to make a wager on that? The unified field theory has nothing to do with the flushing of a toilet while gravity does. The ECU has everything to do with the operation of an engine. That is why you should stick to being a chemical engineer, you know bugger all about mechanical things. > The warrantee will not cover pre ignition damage to the > engine,,,and even if it did,,apparently running a car more than > 60,000 miles isn't in your book of tricks,,, The OP said his Maxima was a 2005, so is mine. It isn't likely they have 60,000 miles on them yet. Miss that part? > Its simply DUMB to infer, recommend, or advocate running sub > standard fuel in a high performance vehicle that up front tells > you you need premium for optimum performance. The manual tells you that 87 octane is OK. Are you suggesting that you know more than the people that wrote the manual? Aviation gas would probably make the engine perform even beter than premium fuel but the manual says nothing about that. > One sub standard > tank of Reg gas, that the ECU can not retard the timing enough on > and you have got 7 grand worth of scrap metal under the hood. This is bullshit. If you keep your foot in it while the engine is pinging, you are too stupid to have a car with a high performance engine. Goofs like yourself probably just turn up the radio when that happens. The ECM can retard the timing far enough to run 87 octane gas. That is why I don't get any ping in my vehicle. If you get pinging in yours, something is wrong. End of story. > But then again,,,you are a mechanic, and thats how you make your > living - fixing broken things. Yes, I fix things that are broken by morons like yourself that have no clue how mechanical things work. It is a full time job. |
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