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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / October 2006

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99  GLE groans after stopping

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aspasia - 20 Sep 2006 15:33 GMT
Hola, amigos!

Got a 99 GLE few months ago.  92K. Seems to run fine, but I wondered
about a noise it makes briefly after I shut off the ignition.  It's
kind of a sigh, or a groan.  

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Aspasia
aspasia@adelphia.net - 24 Sep 2006 22:26 GMT
>Hola, amigos!
>
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>
>Aspasia

Would love to hear from a fellow "groaner" on this.  Is it normal,
or is it a problem.  I'm too new to know.

Tx

Aspasia
njmodi - 24 Sep 2006 23:21 GMT
> Would love to hear from a fellow "groaner" on this.  Is it normal,
> or is it a problem.  I'm too new to know.
>
> Tx
>
> Aspasia

I saw your first post but wasn't sure what you meant by groaning.  Do
you mean immediately after turning off the car completely? does it
happen only if you got the car fully warmed up (long drive. vs. short
run)?  Is it a clicking sound - if so, thats normal, just the exhaust
system metal contracting as it cools.

We need more details and a better description to really provide any
useful information.

Nirav
aspasia - 25 Sep 2006 06:41 GMT
>> Would love to hear from a fellow "groaner" on this.  Is it normal,
>> or is it a problem.  I'm too new to know.
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>
>Nirav

Yes, immediately after turning off the ignition.  Doesn't matter if
short or long drive.  NOT a clicking sound.  Best way I could describe
it was "groaning" or "sighing".  This is my first Nissan, so don't
know if it's "normal".  Sorry, can't think of anything to add...

Tx

Aspasia
njmodi - 25 Sep 2006 17:00 GMT
> Yes, immediately after turning off the ignition.  Doesn't matter if
> short or long drive.  NOT a clicking sound.  Best way I could describe
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>
> Aspasia

Sorry - but I can't think of what you might be hearing.  Perhaps it is
the power antenna retracting? do you normally have the radio on prior
to turning off the car?
aspasia - 25 Sep 2006 22:43 GMT
>> Yes, immediately after turning off the ignition.  Doesn't matter if
>> short or long drive.  NOT a clicking sound.  Best way I could describe
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>Sorry - but I can't think of what you might be hearing.  Perhaps it is
>the power antenna retracting?

Doesn't retract.

do you normally have the radio on prior
>to turning off the car?

Always.

Thanks for your input.  I have to go to the dealer to get a lug nut
fixed on wheel, and will ask them.  

Aspasia
common_ sense@netscape.com - 26 Sep 2006 01:00 GMT
electric motor mount,,,?

my 2000 has one,,,it adjusts depending on speed. Sometimes I do hear a
slight noise from that.

>>> Yes, immediately after turning off the ignition.  Doesn't matter if
>>> short or long drive.  NOT a clicking sound.  Best way I could describe
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>Aspasia
aspasia - 27 Sep 2006 10:15 GMT
>electric motor mount,,,?
>
>my 2000 has one,,,it adjusts depending on speed. Sometimes I do hear a
>slight noise from that.

Thanks; I'll ask dealer tomorrow.  Mine happens ONLY after turning off
key.  Yours?

Aspasia

>>>> Yes, immediately after turning off the ignition.  Doesn't matter if
>>>> short or long drive.  NOT a clicking sound.  Best way I could describe
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>>
>>Aspasia
common_ sense@netscape.com - 27 Sep 2006 21:16 GMT
Yes after the key is off - powers down after the ignition key is
turned off.

>>electric motor mount,,,?
>>
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>>>Aspasia
aspasia@adelphia.net - 05 Oct 2006 21:00 GMT
>Yes after the key is off - powers down after the ignition key is
>turned off.

"Groaning" is now turning to rather loud "clunking" after key turned
off.  Is this building up to something tragic?

Aspasia

>>>electric motor mount,,,?
>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Aspasia
common_ sense@netscape.com - 05 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT
Have you had someone stand outside with the hood open and see if they
can hear where this noise is coming from when you turn off the car.

It could well be a failed motor mount,,,not a good thing to be driving
around with.

>>Yes after the key is off - powers down after the ignition key is
>>turned off.
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>>>>>
>>>>>Aspasia
aspasia@adelphia.net - 06 Oct 2006 02:01 GMT
>Have you had someone stand outside with the hood open and see if they
>can hear where this noise is coming from when you turn off the car.
>
>It could well be a failed motor mount,,,not a good thing to be driving
>around with.

Ay, chihuahua!  Now I AM concerned!  Will carry out experiment as
you suggest, with hood open.   Note, however, that noise seems to
be coming from the BACK of the car.

Aspasia

>>>Yes after the key is off - powers down after the ignition key is
>>>turned off.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Aspasia
Robert Klemme - 06 Oct 2006 08:42 GMT
> Ay, chihuahua!  Now I AM concerned!  Will carry out experiment as
> you suggest, with hood open.   Note, however, that noise seems to
> be coming from the BACK of the car.

Just a wild guess: in that case it could be a loose exhaust mount or
some other defect in that area.

    robert
aspasia@adelphia.net - 06 Oct 2006 21:41 GMT
>> Ay, chihuahua!  Now I AM concerned!  Will carry out experiment as
>> you suggest, with hood open.   Note, however, that noise seems to
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>
>    robert

Mmm..OK, will make a note of that for when I go back to dealer.
Thanks.

Aspasia
aspasia - 10 Oct 2006 21:38 GMT
>>> Ay, chihuahua!  Now I AM concerned!  Will carry out experiment as
>>> you suggest, with hood open.   Note, however, that noise seems to
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>
>Aspasia

Folks, hope this isn't boring the pants off you -- I value all the
inputs so I have some "ammunition" when I go to mechanic.

I have now isolated the groan-which-has-become a-clunk
to the RIGHT REAR of the car.

Hope that gives you more  information to pin-point problem.

TIA

Aspasia
njmodi - 05 Oct 2006 22:39 GMT
> >Yes after the key is off - powers down after the ignition key is
> >turned off.
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>
> Aspasia

I guess you didn't make the trip to the dealer yet?  Are you still
driving on 4 lugs?

Nirav
aspasia@adelphia.net - 06 Oct 2006 21:41 GMT
>> >Yes after the key is off - powers down after the ignition key is
>> >turned off.
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>
>Nirav

Thanks for asking.

I finally did get down there.  It took 2 trips, because I was
scheduled too tightly and had to leave before they called me.
Second time was the charm; they fixed the lug nut, no charge,
as having been a previous defect and a safety hazard.

In all the running around, I forgot to ask them about the
groaning/clunking.  Guess I'll see if my local mechanic
will give a listen, before I schlep all the way down to CarMax
again.  I do have a wrap-around warranty, so it would be
taken care of with a small co-pay; it's just the time and
hassle... but I'd better not let it go.

Aspasia
Richard Tomkins - 06 Oct 2006 04:07 GMT
I'd groan too if I was a High Performance Car and had to stop all the
time;-).

rtt

Just havin some fun.

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aspasia - 12 Oct 2006 01:53 GMT
>> Yes, immediately after turning off the ignition.  Doesn't matter if
>> short or long drive.  NOT a clicking sound.  Best way I could describe
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>the power antenna retracting? do you normally have the radio on prior
>to turning off the car?

BINGO!!!!

I had a knowledgeable friend give a listen today, and he immediately
homed in on the power antenna.  Seems it is stuck, so can't retract
and groans.

Whew! THAT is a load off my mind!!!

Thanks to you and all who chimed in on this.

Aspasia
njmodi - 12 Oct 2006 03:15 GMT
> BINGO!!!!
>
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>
> Aspasia

I suggested that it might be the antenna weeks ago! I have repeated the
text of my post from Mon, Sep 25 2006 11:00am below again to jog your
memory

"Sorry - but I can't think of what you might be hearing.  Perhaps it is
the power antenna retracting? do you normally have the radio on prior
to turning off the car? "

:)

Glad you got to the bottom of it, perhaps the long way around.

Nirav
aspasia - 12 Oct 2006 21:17 GMT
>> BINGO!!!!
>>
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>
>Nirav

I thought I DID include your comment!  I credited SOMEONE
in my message.  Perhaps someone else made the same suggestion,
in which case allow me to thank you as well!

Aspasia
njmodi - 12 Oct 2006 21:24 GMT
> I thought I DID include your comment!  I credited SOMEONE
> in my message.  Perhaps someone else made the same suggestion,
> in which case allow me to thank you as well!
>
> Aspasia

Yes indeed you did - I have the quoted text turned-off by default and
didn't see which particular post you had responded to.

It wasn't credit I was after :)  I just felt bad that you were trying
to the find the problem for so long even after the root cause had been
suggested.

Btw, that antenna is easy to fix :)  Since the motor is good, it's just
a 20 dollar replacement mast that you need to swap in.

Cheers,
Nirav
aspasia - 15 Oct 2006 00:02 GMT
>> I thought I DID include your comment!  I credited SOMEONE
>> in my message.  Perhaps someone else made the same suggestion,
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>Cheers,
>Nirav

Duh -- I would like to fix mast, as it's about to snap off,
but looking at it I don't know how to pull it out.  Any thoughts?

Aspasia
njmodi - 15 Oct 2006 04:25 GMT
> Duh -- I would like to fix mast, as it's about to snap off,
> but looking at it I don't know how to pull it out.  Any thoughts?
>
> Aspasia

Remove the locknut at the base of the antenna and then you should be
able to pry out the old mast and plastic cable.  If you notice that the
cable is broken, then you may need to remove the motor assembly and
open it up to remove any remaining plastic cable fragments.  To remove
the motor assembly, look inside the trunk behind the trunk liner near
the jack - there are a couple of bolts and a harness and drain hose you
have to get to to get the motor assembly out.  Open that up and make
sure you remove any plastic cable bits - and regrease the gears while
you have it open.

Then replace the motor assembly and feed in the new mast.  Note: you'll
need a helper to power on/off the radio while you feed in the mast.

A quick google on "power antenna mast replacement" will give you lots
of leads - most cars have identical setups.

Good luck!
Nirav
aspasia - 15 Oct 2006 20:49 GMT
>> Duh -- I would like to fix mast, as it's about to snap off,
>> but looking at it I don't know how to pull it out.  Any thoughts?
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>sure you remove any plastic cable bits - and regrease the gears while
>you have it open.

This is all very challenging for a low-skills critter like moi, but I
guess I could START the process and see how far I can get.

Since I have bumper-to-bumper warranty on car -- not cheap! -- if it
becomes too difficult, I might take advantage, for a $50 deductible,
though the service center is not close by.  I will inquire

>Then replace the motor assembly and feed in the new mast.  Note: you'll
>need a helper to power on/off the radio while you feed in the mast.

A quick google on "power antenna mast replacement" will give you lots
>of leads - most cars have identical setups.

Indeed!  Several detailed step-by-step instructions.

>Good luck!

Thanks; I'll need it!  

BTW  - could car radio still receive w/o an outside antenna?
Straight question.

Aspasia
njmodi - 16 Oct 2006 01:11 GMT
> Thanks; I'll need it!
>
> BTW  - could car radio still receive w/o an outside antenna?
> Straight question.
>
> Aspasia

You may get some reception without the external antenna since your
Maxima has two antennas - one printed on the rear glass and the second
one being that mast.

Nirav
E Meyer - 17 Oct 2006 23:14 GMT
On 10/14/06 10:25 PM, in article
1160882731.712221.301580@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "njmodi"

>> Duh -- I would like to fix mast, as it's about to snap off,
>> but looking at it I don't know how to pull it out.  Any thoughts?
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> Good luck!
> Nirav

I've done this a couple of times (replace the mast).  Once you remove the
nut on top (either a needle-nosed pliers or a circlip tool will work to get
it off), just turn on the radio and it will puke out the mast.
 
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