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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / March 2004

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Rick - 03 Mar 2004 01:07 GMT
I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying various
fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming from the
sway-bar ends. Every time it rains the WD-40 gets washed away and I have to
spray again. Any thoughts on a more permanent lubricant?  I hate to just
slather the fittings with grease because that would hold a lot of dirt.
David Efflandt - 03 Mar 2004 03:46 GMT
> I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying various
> fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming from the
> sway-bar ends. Every time it rains the WD-40 gets washed away and I have to
> spray again. Any thoughts on a more permanent lubricant?  I hate to just
> slather the fittings with grease because that would hold a lot of dirt.

As you found out WD-40 is not a permanent lube.  I would either try a
silicone spray (which would protect rubber) or something called SlideAll,
which is a teflon powder with dispursant that drys without oily residue.

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surfsalterpath - 04 Mar 2004 01:23 GMT
Steve T - 04 Mar 2004 02:12 GMT
> I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying
> various fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming
> from the sway-bar ends. Every time it rains the WD-40 gets washed away and
> I have to
> spray again. Any thoughts on a more permanent lubricant?

WD-40 is -not- a lubricant. It's a water dispersant hence the name WD-40.
All it does is wash away any lubricant that was there before you sprayed
it! It's about as much of a lubricant as kerosene would be.

The most common place for squeaks is the rubber bushings where the sway bars
mount to the frame. We remove these mounts and use waterproof sythetic
grease on them. Now because you've been spraying the end links, they may be
dry of lube and be squeaking?

< I hate to just
> slather the fittings with grease because that would hold a lot of dirt.

 And WD-40 washes out any real lubricant that was there before. You'll need
to inject some lube into the end links to keep them quiet if that's the
noise or replace them.

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Secret Agentman - 05 Mar 2004 23:05 GMT
if it's not a lubricant how does it fix my squeeky door hinges?

> > I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying
> > various fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming
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> to inject some lube into the end links to keep them quiet if that's the
> noise or replace them.
Steve T - 05 Mar 2004 21:54 GMT
> if it's not a lubricant how does it fix my squeeky door hinges?

It's probably just moving the real lubricant that is there (factory grease)
into the friction area for a short period of time. Keep it up and you'll
wash every bit of real lube out of the hinge and wear it out. A real
lubricant shouldn't need to be applied more often then about every few
years. There are plenty of spray greases that thicken when they "dry" that
work much better for this sort of thing.

Actually I love people using WD-40 as a lube, I get to replace all the parts
that get worn out from doing this. It's about the worst lube or rust
penetrant of anything on the market today.

http://www.sandsmachine.com/grease_t.htm

He tested a bunch of greases, WD-40 was worse than the parts being used dry!

http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html

Explains it's basically something like kerosene with aprox 10%
oil/lubricant. It's a 50 year old formula that was designed to disperse
water and help prevent rust.

http://www.techshop1.com/tips.html

It's a really crappy lubricant for anything that has any sort of pressure,
like a door hinge.
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BuddyWh - 06 Mar 2004 03:08 GMT
>> I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying
>> various fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>All it does is wash away any lubricant that was there before you sprayed
>it! It's about as much of a lubricant as kerosene would be.

WD-40 in fact IS a lubricant... just as kerosene is!   Even water is a
lubricant...  I'd bet his squeaking bushings stop in wet weather.

Problem is that water drys up and WD-40 and Kerosene drys up and/or
washes away.  WD-40 isn't a terrificaly good lubricant, but it is a
lubricant.
Buddywh

>The most common place for squeaks is the rubber bushings where the sway bars
>mount to the frame. We remove these mounts and use waterproof sythetic
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>to inject some lube into the end links to keep them quiet if that's the
>noise or replace them.
Steve T - 06 Mar 2004 13:09 GMT
>>> I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying
>>> various fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> WD-40 in fact IS a lubricant... just as kerosene is!   Even water is a
> lubricant...  

Fill the oil pan of the engine with water and lets see how long it lasts.
:-)

The point was this "lubricant" doesn't have enough pressure resistance for
this application therefor it isn't acting as a lubricant for this
application. For something like a throtle cable it might be fine but for
anything with pressure on it, it's useless.

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BuddyWh - 07 Mar 2004 14:49 GMT
>>>> I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying
>>>> various fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Fill the oil pan of the engine with water and lets see how long it lasts.
>:-)

Not as long as filling with kerosene... but longer than with no
lubricant at all I'd imagine  ;-))

>The point was this "lubricant" doesn't have enough pressure resistance for
>this application therefor it isn't acting as a lubricant for this
>application. For something like a throtle cable it might be fine but for
>anything with pressure on it, it's useless.

But, as Rick pointed out, it does work... for a while, until it washes
out, so this isn't it's problem.  My point is, any lubricant will
squeeze or  wash out, leaving the squeak, possibly even worse than
before.  The only real solution is to replace the hardened bushing
with a "self-lubricating" type of bushing.

BuddyWh
Steve T - 07 Mar 2004 14:41 GMT
> But, as Rick pointed out, it does work... for a while, until it washes
> out, so this isn't it's problem.  My point is, any lubricant will
> squeeze or  wash out, leaving the squeak, possibly even worse than
> before.  The only real solution is to replace the hardened bushing
> with a "self-lubricating" type of bushing.

Do you realise many of these cars don't have a bushing per say but are using
ball socket type -metal- links for the swap bar end links? Be kinda hard to
replace them with "self-lubricating" type of bushing and using a low
pressure lubricant that evaporates -is- a bad idea...

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BuddyWh - 08 Mar 2004 02:25 GMT
>> But, as Rick pointed out, it does work... for a while, until it washes
>> out, so this isn't it's problem.  My point is, any lubricant will
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>replace them with "self-lubricating" type of bushing and using a low
>pressure lubricant that evaporates -is- a bad idea...

Well.. to be sure it never dawned on me that it was the ball joint end
he was talking about.  Since spraying WD40 on it worked for a while, I
was sure it was the bushings he talking about.  I couldn't see WD40
working at all on the ball joint... if for no other reason, then
simply cause I don't see how he could get it into the joint... is
there an easily removed boot on it?

If  not... how the heck do you get grease into it?  

BuddyWh
Steve T - 07 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT
>then
> simply cause I don't see how he could get it into the joint... is
> there an easily removed boot on it?

 No, the boots tear and the grease gets washed out. Sometimes spraying a
thick water resistant grease into them (I use a product called Mystic JT-6,
it has a light carrier that evaporates and leaves a heavy grease) will
quiet them for a quite a while. The best solution is to replace the end
links.

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CW - 08 Mar 2004 03:08 GMT
I had suspension noise which I ultimately traced to the ball joint on
the front sway bar end link.  At one point, rainy days would minimize
the noise and certain, penetrating spray in the area did as well.  I
though for sure that it was the bushings of the front sway bar but on
closer inspection one day, i noticed that the boot of the ball joint
was torn.  I found further that the ball joint in the end link had
rusted to the point where it was easy to separate.  Luckily, the end
links are cheap to buy and easy to replace.  That cured the squeeking
(actually, it was more like creaking) that I got.  Bottom line, if the
boot on the endlink is compromised the joint therein will rust out and
cause noise.

CW
BuddyWh - 06 Mar 2004 03:20 GMT
>I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying various
>fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming from the
>sway-bar ends. Every time it rains the WD-40 gets washed away and I have to
>spray again. Any thoughts on a more permanent lubricant?  I hate to just
>slather the fittings with grease because that would hold a lot of dirt.

As you've found, the WD-40 is lubricating the bushing to make the
squeaking stop... but it won't last long.  Any lubricant you put on it
will eventually dry up and wash away, some may take a little longer
but none will last satisfactorily.

You may not like to hear this but the fix for squeaking bushings is to
replace the bushings.  Be sure to get quality bushings with a dry
lubricant molded into the rubber so that this doesn't happen again.  

If you also want to firm up the handling of your Max this would be a
great time to get urethane rubber bushings.  Again, be sure to get the
lubricated type (they are a darker red color than the non-lubricated
type) and your Max will stay squeak-free, firm handling and "tight"
for as long as the engine will last.  Which can be a long time!

BuddyWh
Rick - 11 Mar 2004 03:26 GMT
Thanks for the info guys. I 'll have to look at the joints some more, but
the ones I am thinking about appear to be simply rubber bushings, and not
covered joints.

Rick

> I have a 2000 Maxima with a squeaky suspension. I have been spraying various
> fittings with WD-40, and I think that the noises are mostly coming from the
> sway-bar ends. Every time it rains the WD-40 gets washed away and I have to
> spray again. Any thoughts on a more permanent lubricant?  I hate to just
> slather the fittings with grease because that would hold a lot of dirt.
Steve T - 11 Mar 2004 22:45 GMT
> Thanks for the info guys. I 'll have to look at the joints some more, but
> the ones I am thinking about appear to be simply rubber bushings, and not
> covered joints.

Two solutions, try either some marine waterproof grease or new bushings.
Either way you need to remove them to do this.

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