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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Maxima / September 2008

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O2 sensor ripoff?

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Steve Green - 03 Sep 2008 19:34 GMT
Check Engine light came on steady on my 96 Infiniti I30 (150K).  Took
it in to my local shop (who I thought I trusted till now).  They ran
the codes and came up with P 0130 (O2 sensor circuit bank 1).  They
said they would need to check further, and called back this morning,
telling me that ALL 3 oxygen sensors are bad, and the total bill will
be something like $850.  

They're telling me that these sensors cost something like $200 and
$180 each (for Bosch), which doesn't seem to agree with the prices I
see online.   More to the point, has anyone ever heard of all 3
sensors going bad at once (strange coincidence!), or am I getting
screwed here?  I would assume that if other sensors had been
previously bad, they would have set off the warning light earlier.

Time to find a new mechanic?
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David Geesaman - 03 Sep 2008 23:38 GMT
> Check Engine light came on steady on my 96 Infiniti I30 (150K).  Took
> it in to my local shop (who I thought I trusted till now).  They ran
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> Time to find a new mechanic?

The exact OEM fit sensor is that price.  An equivalent universal sensor
is much less and does the same job for $45.

Of course your mechanic is like most in that they don't want to spend
time splicing electrical connections and they don't want the risk of the
splice not working well and having the car come back.

At the very least you could shop for the OEM sensors yourself and bring
them to a mechanic and say "I tried but I couldn't do it myself".  That
might save a couple hundred bucks there.

Dave
Steve Green - 04 Sep 2008 00:39 GMT
I wrote:  (snip)

>> They're telling me that these sensors cost something like $200 and
>> $180 each (for Bosch), which doesn't seem to agree with the prices I
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>>
>> Time to find a new mechanic?

Dave replied:
>The exact OEM fit sensor is that price.  An equivalent universal sensor
>is much less and does the same job for $45.
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>them to a mechanic and say "I tried but I couldn't do it myself".  That
>might save a couple hundred bucks there.

Thanks for the response, Dave.  What's your take on the likelihood  of
all three sensors going out at once?

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dgeesaman@gmail.com - 04 Sep 2008 17:46 GMT
> I wrote:  (snip)

> Thanks for the response, Dave.  What's your take on the likelihood  of
> all three sensors going out at once?
>
> --
> Steve Green

I don't know, but I haven't heard of it before.  When I get home I can
check the manual and see if there are ECU codes for each sensor.  (I
hope for your sake it's not like ignition coil codes which don't tell
you which of the six have the problem).  I replaced all 3 at the same
time though because the universal sensors were affordable and I was
under the car with the O2 sensor wrench in hand.

In any case, you should have no trouble pulling the codes from the ECU
yourself if you want to check the garage's diagnostic work.  I would,
given the cost considerations here.

Dave
codifus - 04 Sep 2008 20:34 GMT
> Check Engine light came on steady on my 96 Infiniti I30 (150K).  Took
> it in to my local shop (who I thought I trusted till now).  They ran
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> --
> Steve Green

There are alot of "old school" mechanics out there that can't seem to
let go of the carbuerator or drum brakes. Computer based engines of
today can really throw them off, even though they mean well.

Your computer may have actually thrown all 3 codes, and the problem is
most probably just one. Logical deduction would have me replace the
most active ones first. That would be the 2 O2s shoved up in the
exhaust manifolds on both banks of your V6. Actually, replace the
front one 1st. You can do it yourself. After replacing it, see how the
car runs. Reset the engine light, and if you cant reset it, you may
have to wait a couple of days for the check engine light to go away.
This is no big deal and no major harm is coming to the car.

As a case in point about the check engine light, I had once let my
previously owned 94 Altima go way too long after it was supposed to
have its scheduled maintenance. During that time the car became
unstable, but I knew what was up. Then one day the car started
stumbling badly. Check engine light galore. I pulled 3 codes: fuel
injection system failing, O2s, catalytic converter, etc. Had I gone to
the dealer, they may have done the work and given me a whopping bill.

All it was was that I was long overdue for a tuneup. I changed the
plugs, wires, rotor and cap and all was good again.

Food for thought.

CD
e.meyer - 10 Sep 2008 13:23 GMT
> Check Engine light came on steady on my 96 Infiniti I30 (150K).  Took
> it in to my local shop (who I thought I trusted till now).  They ran
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> --
> Steve Green

A lot of people think that at this age/mileage all the o2 sensors
should be prophylactically replaced anyway.  Your mechanic might be
one of them.

P0130 is the pre-cat sensor on the right bank.  They are expensive if
you get the OEM sensor. If the other sensors are far enough out of
spec they will throw their own codes.  The ECM will store multiple
codes.  I would just test the one reported bad to make sure the
problem is not wiring (the '96 I routinely deal with is having a lot
of problems because the insulation on the wiring is hard and
crumbling), and just fix that.   If the other sensors are also bad,
they will throw their own codes soon enough.
 
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