Have a relatively low mileage (under 90k) U.S. market '92 SE with the VE30DE
and slushbox tranny. Engine stated surging and stalling big time three
months ago, and has been progressively getting worse. It's been looked at A
LOT since the problem started. The DE's engine speed will go through
periods where it surges/hesitatates uncontrollably on acceleration--no
difference whether it's hard or soft-pedaled. The engine will also
occasionally die on deceleration--i.e., when I lift off the gas pedal--and
will occasionally die at steady-state speed, which makes for grand fun on
the interstate. It also will die at idle while in gear, and has on one or
two times died during idle when NOT in gear. So far it's been to two Nissan
shops, and no fix appears to be in sight.
In the meantime, these are the things that have been ruled out as the cause:
- Coil packs (no visable cracks, and they--according to the last shop's
diagnosis--continue to send good signals back to the ECM)
- MAF sensor (new one was installed, no difference; fortunately they still
have the old one to put back in)
- Cam sensor (latest fix: new one was installed yesterday; I assume it
didn't fix anything because the shop was supposed to call back to tell me
the car's ready to pick up, which they didn't)
- Engine control relay (I replaced this myself on the advice from a Nissan
tech who had said this relay has been an infrequent problem in the past;
it's the green one in the relay box mounted next to the driver's side front
fender; the engine ran smoother for a while and didn't die as often, but a
nasty plastic buring smell started and last about a week, and stopped at the
same time the engine started acting up as it did before. Think I may have
toasted that new relay, but I'm not sure)
- battery cable (replaced by the first shop I took the car to; no difference
whatsoever)
- fuel delivery system (as inspected and diagnosed by both Nissan shops
who've looked at the car)
The ECM/ECU/(whatever acronym it's known by) has not been entirely ruled
out, but according to the shop has only emitted an error code once when they
were backing the car into the service bay, but they've been unable to get it
to do it again. I've been arguing with the shop on whether the fuel pump
really the culprit (they say they've thoroughly looked at it, and they can't
identify anything wrong).
One other thing I pointed out to the shop: when the Nissan tech told me
about the control relay, he opened up the relay box to point out
specifically which relay it was. As I was writing the part number off the
realy, we twisted the relay a bit as it was still connected to its port.
The first drive in the car immediately after this, the car RAN HORRIBLY
(rough, hesitant) for several minutes before finally smoothing out. The
first thought that is really was the relay, but that proved untrue. The
next thought it that it may be the connector and/or the cable that the relay
is connected to. Has anyone else ever had issues with this connection that
have resulted in similar symptoms?
If not this, does anyone else have any ideas on what to look at next?
NissTech - 14 Mar 2004 13:29 GMT
Classic problem,
Replace all the coils.
This is a case of RF (Radio Frequency) interference , The RF energy is
traveling along the harness back to the ECM confusing it.
> Have a relatively low mileage (under 90k) U.S. market '92 SE with the VE30DE
> and slushbox tranny. Engine stated surging and stalling big time three
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>
> If not this, does anyone else have any ideas on what to look at next?
nmore - 19 Mar 2004 00:09 GMT
I wish you had been right. In my case unfortunately it was the ECM itself
that went bad, according to the shop. On top of that, the cam sensor was
indeed bad as well (which the shop finally determined was the cause of the
car's stalling, in conjunction with the faulting ECM). Apparently they
replaced all the coils during the diagnosis, and the car continued to have
the same problems.
The bad part of all of this was that the old MAF sensor was rendered
unusable (they say it was bad to begin with, but I'm not sure if it could've
been damaged when they removed it--at this point I have no choice but to
take their word on this).
If there was a silver lining, the dealer decided to eat the labor cost, and
charge me only for the price of the cam sensor and ECM (around $1200,
including the state sales tax--still an ouch). Including what I've already
paid for in the MAF sensor replacement (around $650), this was one pricey
repair, though it could've been a lot worse considering that they've been
working on it on and off for the past 1 1/2 weeks. It seems rather decent
of them that they were willing to forego the labor.
I pick the car up today, so I'll find out how good this fix really is. At
least I'll get the old parts back if this doesn't fix it.
But regardless, with the way this car's electronics have been going (sigh),
I suppose I'd better order up a set of coils anyways.
> Classic problem,
>
> Replace all the coils.
>
> This is a case of RF (Radio Frequency) interference , The RF energy is
> traveling along the harness back to the ECM confusing it.