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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Z Cars / March 2005

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Exhaust backpressure question

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none - 16 Feb 2005 11:47 GMT
I have a 1987 5 speed non-turbo model.  I have heard exhaust back pressure
is required for N/A.  Why does an engine need backpressure?  Do you want to
clear the exhaust as fast as possible?

P.s: I lost my muffler recently and I am thinkking putting  a resonator type
(like a bullet shape that is about 4" in diameter) of muffler.  Is it a good
ideal?
Wheeljak - 16 Feb 2005 15:07 GMT
>I have a 1987 5 speed non-turbo model.  I have heard exhaust back pressure
>is required for N/A.  Why does an engine need backpressure?  Do you want to
>clear the exhaust as fast as possible?

I think the problem with a lot of those low-budget wannabe tuner cars
is not enough backpressure. Have you ever noticed a little Honda civic
with a bazooka muffler accelerating at a relative crawl, even though
the driver is flat-out gunning the engine? I dunno if reducing
backpressure is good for increasing top speed, but I've seen it hurt
acceleration. But again, I'm not necessarily talking about a Z; its
intake/exhaust system might be completely different.
Steve T - 17 Feb 2005 02:13 GMT
> I think the problem with a lot of those low-budget wannabe tuner cars
> is not enough backpressure.

WRONG! You 'think' wrong.

> Have you ever noticed a little Honda civic
> with a bazooka muffler accelerating at a relative crawl, even though
> the driver is flat-out gunning the engine?

Because he hasn't TUNED the engine for the mods. No one seems to want to do
anything but buy cool -LOOKING- parts, they won't spend $5 on tuning. how
many of these rice boy cars have tunable stand alone EFI etc? Maybe .1%?

> I dunno if reducing
> backpressure is good for increasing top speed, but I've seen it hurt
> acceleration.

BS, the accelleration is hurt because the car's -tuning- isn't changed with
the mods. Those Honda's have a "speed density" type EFI that is the worst
as far as compensating for changes. Add something like a cold air intake
and in most cases they lose power because it throws the tuning off (they go
lean). With a Z it's a little better cause that have a MAS system than can
compensate to a point for changes done to the car's air flow.

> But again, I'm not necessarily talking about a Z; its
> intake/exhaust system might be completely different.

Doesn't matter what kind of car, backpressure is BAD. But you have to tune
the car after doing mods or you can lose power. People add a part, don't
know how to tune and the car loses power so this kind of "You need
backpressure" BS gets started.

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Wheeljak - 18 Feb 2005 03:03 GMT
>> I think the problem with a lot of those low-budget wannabe tuner cars
>> is not enough backpressure.
>
>WRONG! You 'think' wrong.

Hey, it's cool, man. I was wrong. It's happened many times before, I'm
sure. I'm just passing on the information that I was told by my
mechanic, and you've taught me that he didn't know what he was talking
about, and I shouldn't have listened to him. Lesson learned,
everyone's happy.
No need to burst a temporal vein over this..
Steve T - 18 Feb 2005 06:03 GMT
>>> I think the problem with a lot of those low-budget wannabe tuner cars
>>> is not enough backpressure.
>>
>>WRONG! You 'think' wrong.

> No need to burst a temporal vein over this..

???

I do have to wonder why people who appear to know nothing, post information
like it's gospel? Or ask questions to then say "I figured" something else?

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Paradox - 17 Feb 2005 00:31 GMT
> I have a 1987 5 speed non-turbo model.  I have heard exhaust back pressure
> is required for N/A.  Why does an engine need backpressure?  Do you want to
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> (like a bullet shape that is about 4" in diameter) of muffler.  Is it a good
> ideal?

backpressure is always bad, what you want to maintain is exhaust flow
velocity, no flow = no suction = no scavenging effect in the cylinder.
R.M. - 20 Feb 2005 01:53 GMT
> I have a 1987 5 speed non-turbo model.  I have heard exhaust back pressure
> is required for N/A.  Why does an engine need backpressure?  Do you want to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (like a bullet shape that is about 4" in diameter) of muffler.  Is it a good
> ideal?

One analogy that you could use for Steve T's explanation actually pertains
to motorcycles. But the general concept is the same. Think of the countless
numbers of guys that have went out and purchased 'drag pipes' for their
Harley-Davidson motorcycles and installed themselves--completely ignoring
any "tuning" modifications to the bike. Such as re-jetting their carbs. Then
they can't understand why "the bike doesn't run right". Although this isn't
a direct comparison why cars, again, the general concept is actually quite
similar.

R.M.
Ernst - 13 Mar 2005 06:23 GMT
> I have a 1987 5 speed non-turbo model.  I have heard exhaust back pressure
> is required for N/A.  Why does an engine need backpressure?  Do you want to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (like a bullet shape that is about 4" in diameter) of muffler.  Is it a good
> ideal?

Maybe my turn to learn something, but to my way of thinking,
backpressure is bad when you're racing or going for all out horsepower
but actually aids in reliability with a street car.  Running with little
backpressure will shorten the life of your exhaust valves.  The strait
pipe exhaust on dragsters are tuned so that at peak horsepower a pulse
returns up the exhaust and helps scavenge the exhaust from the
combustion chamber. This pulse is a form of backpressure even if it is
minimal.  Same idea at a lower RPM for headers.

Steve T is right in that you have to look at the whole thing as a
package.  Change engine components and you should make sure the car is
tuned for the new parts weather its a new intake, a cam, the exhaust or
anything that affects the way your engine breathes.
 
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