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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Z Cars / October 2004How desirable are Z-32s these days? (Long post warning)
The subject says it all here. I'm thinking very seriously about putting my 1990 Nissan 300ZX(N/A--or non-turbo) up for sale, but have no idea what the price range is for a rough condition Z to a pristine one. Mine still looks great inside! The exterior needs some minor body work in a few spots, but the car is in pretty good shape overall. From a mechanical standpoint, it has its pluses and minuses. Within the last year I have put a new set of tires on it, replaced the battery, AIV(air intake valve) assemblies on both sides, wiper blades, low-beam headlight bulbs, shocks, fuel injector wire connectors, spark plugs, fuel filter, air filters(uses two) and had it tuned up. The downside for a potential buyer is that they would have to view the car as a 'restoration project' to some degree, because my mechanic said that it really and truly needs a valve job to perform optimally. The engine starts and runs fine--with the exception of some minor missing occasionally that is caused by cylinder number 5 not having quite as much compression as the other cylinders. I had the automatic transmission checked out by the best shop in town and the owner of the shop said that the transmission was in relatively good condition for a car with 167,000 miles on it. The reason I had it checked out is because it shifts a little rough going into automatic 2nd for my personal taste. But the tranny expert said that if it were his car, he wouldn't even consider a rebuild at this point. To quote him directly..."I've driven cars that I thought shifted a whole, WHOLE lot harder than yours does. Keep on driving it now that I have changed the transmission fluid in it and it should be just fine for a lot longer if you drive it sensibly." Now for 'why' I am considering selling my Z. Well, I got married a while back and now have a wife and two stepsons. I have two other cars in addition to the 90' 300ZX. A 2002 Lexus IS300 and a 1989 Honda Civic LX 4-door sedan. I no longer need three cars, and the wife and two stepsons sure can't ride in a two-seater with me. Also, my wife needs a new car herself, and I am under pressure to unload one of my three cars in order to buy her a new ride. So, in general, do you guys find the Z-32s to be fairly easy to sell these days? Or have today's gas prices and maintenance costs just about eliminated these cars from the 'good seller' class of cars? Thanks for your input in advance! S.T. > The subject says it all here. I'm thinking very seriously about putting my > 1990 Nissan 300ZX(N/A--or non-turbo) up for sale, but have no idea what > the price range is for a rough condition Z to a pristine one. > > Thanks for your input in advance! It depends on if someone notices the problems and what it looks like. If you're honest about the work it needs (which you should be) and you say here it needs some body work, given the miles and that it's an automatic, you probably aren't going to get much for it. The pluses you described are just that you've done some normal maintenance. The minuses are -several- thousand dollars to fix and people now know these cars are very expencive to repair. An automatic 90 model isn't that popular or desirable either. Sorry.  SignatureSteve http://www.atlantaracing.com >> The subject says it all here. I'm thinking very seriously about putting my >> 1990 Nissan 300ZX(N/A--or non-turbo) up for sale, but have no idea what [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >to repair. An automatic 90 model isn't that popular or desirable either. >Sorry. Sadly they made far more automatics than manual. -- Peter Hill Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header Can of worms - what every fisherman wants. Can of worms - what every PC owner gets! >>> The subject says it all here. I'm thinking very seriously about putting >>> my 1990 Nissan 300ZX(N/A--or non-turbo) up for sale, but have no idea [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sadly they made far more automatics than manual. Are you sure about that? I'm not saying your wrong, just seems like I see a lot more stick cars than automatics. SignatureSteve http://www.atlantaracing.com > "If you're honest about the work it needs (which you should be)" Steve, I take exception to the remark you made above. If I weren't honest about the car, why would I have even mentioned the needed valve job and transmission issue that I was suspect of? A dishonest person wouldn't even bring up repairs as potentially expensive as those of this nature. Besides, I'm not trying to sell the car via this forum. I'm just trying to get a feel for whether or not it's even worth *trying* to sell the car. Hell I'll keep the thing before I'll practically give it away. It has a whole lot of potential to be a nice car for someone that is passionate about the Z-32 body style, interior and engine type. Someone out there would probably enjoy fixing one of these cars up to keep for themself. S.T. >> "If you're honest about the work it needs (which you should be)" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > transmission issue that I was suspect of? A dishonest person wouldn't even > bring up repairs as potentially expensive as those of this nature. Chill out, I am just saying there are lots of people who wouldn't tell the buyer about this and if the buyer knows the car is going to need -thousands- of dollars of repairs soon, how much is he going to pay for the car? Given there are plenty of these out there that don't need this work, would you pay much for a car needing this much money spent on it? Of course not. >I'm just trying to get a feel for >whether or not it's even worth trying to sell the car. Which was the reason I responded. Sorry I did. > Hell I'll keep the > thing before I'll practically give it away Then you better plan on just keeping it. Since you say you're honest and will tell any buyer it needs all this work, no one is going to pay much for it. > Someone out there would probably enjoy fixing one > of these cars up to keep for themself. And the only reason someone would buy a car needing thousands of dollar of repairs, is because it was cheap. No one just enjoys spending lots of money on a car, do you? Ok hows this: Someone knowing this car needs $5,000 worth of repairs is going to pay you full retail price because you are so honest." Is that what you wanted to hear? You're living in a dream world. SignatureSteve http://www.atlantaracing.com > >> "If you're honest about the work it needs (which you should be)" > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > going to pay you full retail price because you are so honest." Is that > what you wanted to hear? You're living in a dream world. No, I'm not living in a dream world Steve. And I AM honest. So you can ease up with your turgid diatribe on the character of people that are considering to sell one of their vehicles. While I fully understand that the 'average person' certainly isn't going to pay retail for a vehicle needing expensive repairs, myself included, there are people that are looking for a specific type of vehicle for restoration projects, etc. A vehicle is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. As an example, I have a friend that has been offered a 100 grand for his 55' Chevy. He turned it down. Personally, I wouldn't give him $250.00 for the car except as an investment to turn around and sell it for profit. I just don't care for those old cars like that. They do nothing for me. Remember, one man's junk is another man's treasure. I've seen many, many cases where people paid exhorbitant amounts of cash for items that I wouldn't even consider taking home if someone PAID ME to. Again, all I wanted to do was get some feedback on how desirable the Z-32s are these days; WITHOUT having my character assassinated regarding honesty. By the way, I know you said you were sorry you responded, and I am too. And you talk about ME needing to chill out! S.T. > No, I'm not living in a dream world Steve. The car needs over $5000 worth of work and is worth about $5500 at best. You can figure out how much it's worth. Given there are thousands of these cars that don't need this work done, have no body damage and lower miles why would anyone pay much for one that has all these problems? And is an automatic on top of that. Yes you're dreaming comparing this to a '55 chevy as far as a "project car"! > Again, all I > wanted to do was get some feedback on how desirable the Z-32s are these > days Your's is the LEAST desirable of any Z32 model if that helps. They made the most of these in that year and very few people would want an automatic as a "project car". Somehow you'll probably be offended by that as well? > WITHOUT having my character assassinated regarding honesty. Good grief. Where did I EVER say you were -dishonest-? Or even suggest that you were? Do you always -try- to become offended this easily? It was obvious from your post you intended to tell the buyer the problems and I just said if you do that (which you should), you aren't going to get very much for the car and you feel offended? I wouldn't pay more than about $500-$1000 for one in that condition and doubt anyone else would either. You might as well keep it, but then again it's going to cost you $$$$ to keep using it. SignatureSteve http://www.atlantaracing.com Man o man Steve, you sure have been beaten up lately for just trying to help these fools. They come here looking for free advise when they're to lazy to use their computer and search out what they need to know for them selves. (Hint...Kelly Blue Book, local news paper, Auto swapper, ect, ect). And for what ever dark hidden reason in their pathetic past history that looms over them creating all their silly little insecurities. They automatically think your out to cheat them, or critique them, or slander them. I sure didn't read it the way he took it. Don't let em get you down man. I for one know how long you've been a great asset to this group. Your willingness to help and share your knowledge is much appreciated. I really don't give a sh.t about this fools feelings of insecurity. You handled much nicer than I would have. Now lets see if this fools wife will let him respond to this. Ask her real nice fool, I can't wait to see how you try to impress me with your intelligence. Randy > Man o man Steve, you sure have been beaten up lately for just trying to help > these fools. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Randy Gosh Randy, I am crushed by your having referred to me as a "fool" multiple times during your post. My life will never be the same. You just contributed to my "feelings of insecurity". You should be ashamed of your imbecilic, DUMBASS self!!! You know NOTHING about anyone's past history, intelligence or life in general. Perhaps you should mind your own damned business since no one had directed anything towards you to start with. I agree that Steve has been a solid contributor to this newsgroup. There's no way that I would ever try to refute that statement. And he did provide me with some very useful information. Sometimes when you read NG posts or e-mail messages, it can be easy to mistake someone's true intentions without seeing their facial expressions and body language when they make references to things such as honesty--or the lack of it. If I was way off base about that portion of Steve's post, then I most certainly apologize to STEVE. NOT YOU!!! By the way, I don't have to ask the wife for anything other than the support to deal with idiots such as yourself out here in this world. S.T. > If I was way off base about that portion of > Steve's post, then I most certainly apologize to STEVE. NOT YOU!!! I think his comment came from where I told you in the second post this "questioning your integrity" -wasn't what I meant- yet you still came after me. If you had "chilled out" and said you misunderstood what I meant (after I -SAID- that wasn't what I meant), then instead of taking this so personally... Oh whatever. SignatureSteve http://www.atlantaracing.com > Gosh Randy, I am crushed by your having referred to me as a "fool" > multiple > times during your post. My life will never be the same. You just > contributed > to my "feelings of insecurity". You should be ashamed of your imbecilic, > DUMBASS self!!! Never ashamed of the truth, even is so plane to see that a imbecilic dumb a.s can point it out. >You know NOTHING about anyone's past history, intelligence or life in > general. Perhaps you should mind your own damned business since no one had > directed anything towards you to start with. Usually past history is what causes paranoia, unless of coarse youv'e been paraniod your whole life. You've readily demostrated your intelligence, a couple times now. HE he he he...... >I agree that Steve has been a solid contributor to this newsgroup. There's >no way that I would ever try to > refute that statement. If you knew that, then you would have also known that Steve has never belittled anyone posting questions here. You should have know it was just your own pathetic insecurities. Unless there's some truth conected to your fear of a tarnished reputation. hummmmmmm >And he did provide me with some very useful > information. Ya, chill out fool! >Sometimes when you read NG posts or e-mail messages, it can be > easy to mistake someone's true intentions without seeing their facial > expressions and body language when they make references to things such as > honesty-or the lack of it. Why I can see your face now, you sure are looking more foolish than you did yesterday, BAWWWAAAAAA HA HA!!!!! - If I was way off base about that portion of > Steve's post, then I most certainly apologize to STEVE. NOT YOU!!! Let me refer to my original post here... > I really don't give a sh.t about this fools feelings of insecurity. And I really, really don't give a sh.t about an apology from some back pedaling, parinod, insecure, egocentric fool that thinks the world revolves him and his opinions. > By the way, I don't have to ask the wife for anything other than the > support > to deal with idiots such as yourself out here in this world. Kness are shaking so bad she needs to hold you steady ....hey fool? Figures. PoP quiz.......what does STupid start with????? > S.T. > > Gosh Randy, I am crushed by your having referred to me as a "fool" > > multiple [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Never ashamed of the truth, even is so plane to see that a imbecilic dumb > a.s can point it out. "plane"???? LOL > >You know NOTHING about anyone's past history, intelligence or life in > > general. Perhaps you should mind your own damned business since no one had [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You've readily demostrated your intelligence, a couple times now. HE he he > he...... Yeah, so have you Randy! You obviously haven't discovered spell check functionality yet. LOL! (See "paraniod") > >I agree that Steve has been a solid contributor to this newsgroup. There's > >no way that I would ever try to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fear of a tarnished reputation. > hummmmmmm "conected" "know" Man, that intelligence just keeps on glaring Randy. > >And he did provide me with some very useful > > information. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Why I can see your face now, you sure are looking more foolish than you > did yesterday, BAWWWAAAAAA HA HA!!!!! > - If I was way off base about that portion of > > Steve's post, then I most certainly apologize to STEVE. NOT YOU!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pedaling, parinod, insecure, egocentric fool that thinks the world revolves > him and his opinions. That would be YOU Randy. Anyone that doesn't agree 100% with a post that you do must have some sort of serious character flaw. Get real! You stooped as low as to try and bring someone's wife and past history into a NG conversation. That is just ridiculous and clearly proves that you are a redneck fool yourself. > > By the way, I don't have to ask the wife for anything other than the > > support [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > S.T. Sorry Randy, but you just exposed yourself for the major neck that you really and truly are. I'm finished wasting my time with you Randy. You have too much foreskin in your collar. I apologized to Steve if I overreacted and that's the end of that. I'll take it no further. S.T. > You > stooped as low as to try and bring someone's wife and past history into a > NG conversation. Actually most people consider spelling flames about as low as one can get. You should have dropped this several posts ago if you had ANY integrity as you claimed. At this point.... SignatureSteve http://www.atlantaracing.com |
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