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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Cars / January 2005

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G35 v 330i/xi v Audi A4 v. other?

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rabarrett@gmail.com - 22 Jan 2005 21:06 GMT
I'm trying to decide among these cars.  Any help will be appreciated.
Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least
twice).  Any other cards I should consider?

All three I'm only considering only in manual transmission.

(1) I really like the power and tight suspension of the G35, but
dislike it's fit and finish (looks cheap, buttons and knobs are a
little tacky, and the headliner is the same cheap one as the one on my
Grand Am rental).  Also, the stereo isn't good either, I'm not
impressed with the "Bose" system, and I'm not sure if I could easily
replace it without the interior looking even worse, speakers fitting
poorly or some other problem.  When you turn it up (and I don't mean so
that you can't hear people talk) it starts to sound bad (noticeable
distortion) quickly.

(2) The Audi 3.0 Quatro seems like a nice compromise.  I give up a
significant bit of power and some of the tight suspension (even on the
sports package), but the fit and finish is the best of the three, the
stereo is really good, and I gain the all-wheel drive.  It feels solid,
it sounds good, it drives really well, and I'd feel really safe in it.
I'm upset it doesn't have a real NAV system yet.

(3) So far I've only test driven the xi (see note below).  I expected
to be impressed and I was really disappointed (as compared to the
Infinity).  The BMI is also pricey, but maybe I'll decide it's worth
it.  I don't want to actually pay much over $35k (after dealing), but
then the i will be cheaper than the xi anyway, if I decide to go with
it.  Still, it appears they're becoming hard to find (they've stopped
making them and the next ones come out May-July).  I'm still not sure
why people say that the 330 ride (well, I'm actually still thinking of
the xi ride, since I haven't driven an i yet) is better than the G35
because it seems softer.  It definitely rocks more on turns and if you
just jerk the car to the left and right quickly.  The steering also
isn't as tight as the G35.  I wonder if people just like a softer ride
than I do.  It would be helpful to hear someone even just say, "Yeah,
you seem to like a tighter ride than I do.  I like the luxuary ride v.
sports ride balance of the 330, but I realize I don't feel the road as
much as in a G35."  I like to feel the road because it gives me
confidence I know just how the car is reacting to the road.  I also
like good feedback in the steering wheel.  I also like a little more
power than the 330 has.

One further complication--NAV:
I also would really like a factory navagation system.  Audi won't have
one until May (I'd consider waiting, but my last car was totalled--not
my fault--and I don't know of a good short-term solution to just
renting a car each week.  Anyone know of a good way to rent a car for 5
months?).
I haven't seen BMW's NAV system yet, but I fear that will make it even
harder to find a 330.
Infinity already has a reasonably nice NAV system.
(Note:  I really liked the Acura TL's NAV system, but the ride is way
too soft for my taste.)

My dream would be the G35 engine and feel with Audi fit and finish with
the Acura NAV system.

I wondered if there might be a difference between the xi and i on
handling.  The Audi salesman I spoke with seemed very knowledgeable and
was willing to discuss my understanding of the 330xi versus the G35
(and didn't even seem to mind we weren't talking about the Audi and
that I might have written it off).  He said he thought the xi might
drive differently and suggested I drive an i.  When I mentioned it to
the BMW dealer over the phone, he told me point blank that I was wrong,
that he knows the cars very well and they drive exactly the same.  I'll
have to drive one.  

Thanks for your advice,

Rick
Bob H - 22 Jan 2005 22:11 GMT
> I'm trying to decide among these cars.  Any help will be appreciated.
> Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least

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...in a nutshell?
john smith - 22 Jan 2005 22:17 GMT
Unless you trade cars every two years I would go with the Infiniti.  The
German car is going to give you trouble in the long run.  It is a great
car for the short term like three years or less.  After that you are
going to be spending bucks for parts and labor.  The Infiniti is just a
Nissan with more goodies.  I love the in dash Navigation system and the
G35 rips off the line and the brakes are great.  The one thing I dislike
is the tight seat.  If I had a little butt I could fit much better.
Also, with sunroof I have to have the seat all the way down to keep from
having my head touch.  Other than that it is a great car for the money.

> I'm trying to decide among these cars.  Any help will be appreciated.
> Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least
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> Rick
JimV - 22 Jan 2005 22:20 GMT
I have to agree. I have both an A4 and a Maxima in the garage. The A4
has had numerous problems, the Maxima is bullet proof.

> Unless you trade cars every two years I would go with the Infiniti.  The
> German car is going to give you trouble in the long run.  It is a great
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>> Rick
ppointer@nospamindspring.com - 22 Jan 2005 23:13 GMT
I would forget the BMW.  It's way more expensive than $35k when optioned
out to compete against your other choices.

The A4 is going to give you some problems even while under warranty.
But if you're really set on the A4, you might want to wait until the
spring when the new model will appear.  If you can get past the goofy
new nose, the rest of the car is nice.

I've driven several G35s, and it would be a tough choice for me between
the G35 and A4.  I would probably go G35 because I've had great luck
with my other Infinitis and Nissans.
Perry - 23 Jan 2005 14:09 GMT
>I'm trying to decide among these cars.  Any help will be appreciated.
>Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least
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>that you can't hear people talk) it starts to sound bad (noticeable
>distortion) quickly.

Are you sure this was a G35.  I have the 2004 Coupe and it has been
perfect including the Bose system. Also you are just flat wrong about
the headliner.
ppointer@nospamindspring.com - 23 Jan 2005 14:45 GMT
> Are you sure this was a G35.  I have the 2004 Coupe and it has been
> perfect including the Bose system. Also you are just flat wrong about
> the headliner.

Maybe he is referring to the standard system.  Infiniti offers a
standard sound system and an upgrade.  I think they're both Bose, and I
thought the standard stereo was acceptable.  But I've always been told
that if the music is too loud, then you're too old.
You Know Who ~ - 31 Jan 2005 01:41 GMT
I agree the Bose system is not great in general and lousy in Nissan's.  The
Nissan's standard stereo is actually better.

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> >I'm trying to decide among these cars.  Any help will be appreciated.
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> perfect including the Bose system. Also you are just flat wrong about
> the headliner.
SneakerFreak - 26 Jan 2005 02:04 GMT
On 1/22/05 4:06 PM, in article
1106427975.001392.77630@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "rabarrett@gmail.com"

> All three I'm only considering only in manual transmission.
   Great choice!

> (1) I really like the power and tight suspension of the G35, but
> dislike it's fit and finish (looks cheap, buttons and knobs are a
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> that you can't hear people talk) it starts to sound bad (noticeable
> distortion) quickly.

I dono - I have an '04 G35 sedan 6MT loaded with Nav.  Have no issues with
the Bose at high volumes.  I mainly listen to CD's and my iPod through the
tape player and even at 10-15 it's fine.  However, you don't need to turn
the bass up much. (IIRC I'm at +2 bass, +3 treble)  Granted, I don't do Rap,
just Classic Rock and Hard Rock - closest I get to Rap is Limp Bizkit.

I also have no issues with the interior of the G35.  Looks great to me - I
have black with the silver trim.  Everyone says how nice it looks and it
fits me as the techie type.  Then again, I've never gotten why everyone says
Toyota (incl. Lexus) has the best interiors?  They look as cheap and as
plasticky as everyone else.

> (3) So far I've only test driven the xi (see note below).  I expected
> to be impressed and I was really disappointed (as compared to the
> Infinity).  The BMI is also pricey, but maybe I'll decide it's worth
> it.  I don't want to actually pay much over $35k (after dealing), but

I was looking at the 330i (no xi) and after optioning it close to the G
(6MT, Nav, Xenon, leather, etc) it was nearing, if not over $40k.

> One further complication--NAV:
> I also would really like a factory navagation system.  Audi won't have
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> (Note:  I really liked the Acura TL's NAV system, but the ride is way
> too soft for my taste.)

No issues with the Nav in my G35.  It just works and gets me where I need to
go.  The pop up/down screen is very cool and sleek looking.  Also very
stealthy when parked.

That being said, you may want to check the Jag X-type.  You get AWD, can get
a 5MT, decent power, and a decent Nav system.  We rented one a while back
and it had a decently sporty ride.

But, I still love my G - this one's a keeper! :)
Dave Stone - 26 Jan 2005 04:06 GMT
> I'm trying to decide among these cars.  Any help will be appreciated.
> Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least
> twice).  Any other cards I should consider?

I would also look at the Lexus IS300. Great RWD car but the engine is
not very powerful and has poor mileage (inline 6?). You can also get it
with a stick if that's important.

They are coming out with a new one either this spring or maybe later
this year with a more powerful engine. I'd expect the prices of the
current IS models to drop further when that happens, so you might be
able to get a good deal.
 
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