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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Cars / February 200594 Pathfinder manifold studs - warrantee extended??
I heard somewhere that Nissan extended the warrantee to 100,000 miles for the infamous exhaust manifold stud problem. Does anyone know if this is true? I had both sides on my 94 PF done before 100,000 mi, and am wondering if there's any possibility they will reimburse me for the repair if this is true (I had it done at a Nissan dealer). I called Nissan, and I have to wait until tomorrow while they "dearchive" my VIN to get the answer from them. While I'll hopefully get an answer from Nissan tomorrow, I'm curious to know any other info, and other people's experience, in case they say no. Probably a fools errand trying to get reimbursed for this, but it's worth a phone call to Nissan and a post here to try! Thanks - John > I heard somewhere that Nissan extended the warrantee to 100,000 miles for > the infamous exhaust manifold stud problem. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there's any possibility they will reimburse me for the repair if this is > true (I had it done at a Nissan dealer). Many years ago I called them with this very same problem. I was at least 15,000 miles out of my warrantee; I was the original owner; I had all of the work done at the Nissan dealership. I don't remember what the other factors were. The total bill was $450 (back in 1997). They gave me $400 and a $1,000 coupon toward the purchase of a new Pathfinder. Thanks - that's good to know. If they say no to a reimbursement, I might whine and grumble for one of those $1000 off coupons. But if they'll give me one, hopefully I can get one towards an Xterra since I'm seriously considering buying one when the 05's come out. I'll just tell them the truth - I'm buying a new car next month, and if they stand behind their product and give me incentive, it'll be a Nissan, if not, I'll be looking at other manufactors. Doesn't hurt to be "squeaky". Incedently, i called back this morning. They had my info but the VIN had not been dearchived as of yet... > Thanks - that's good to know. > If they say no to a reimbursement, I might whine and grumble for one of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Incedently, i called back this morning. They had my info but the VIN had > not been dearchived as of yet... I cant see myself ever buying a Nissan again- simply for the reason you mention of quality and buying from a dealer that stands behind their product. On my 92 Pathfinder I replaced the driver's exhaust manifold and 4 studs for around $650; I am saving my money to do the other side next month. Another classic problem with these motors is the rear main seal going out (another $1000+ job). Here is the kick in the pants- I only have 93k on the damn thing. If Nissan would pick this up I would totally go back for my next purchase- action create loyalty with me. Let me know what happens. If Nissan will not work with you I recommend having a local shop do the work as they will charge much less. And from the 3 shops I called- *everyone* is familiar with the Pathfinder gasget/stud problem. Good luck. That's too bad you had to replace the manifold on your Pathfinder. I took mine to the machine shop and had the pair of them planned for under $50 (it might even have been $30). Then my cost on the parts to do both sides (all studs, nuts and spacers as it should be done, not just a few) and even a close quarters Dewalt drill setup only ran me about $400 (including the machining work above). Now as for economics my Pathfinder being a '95, lets see that makes it now 10 years old. So $400 into that 10 year time frame comes out to an average of $40 a year. Yeah, I'll take those unexpected maintenance numbers any day. :-) Even assuming a rear main seal does start to leak, which regardless of mileage, rubber does tend to deteriorate after 13 years (you did mention yours is a '92) so let's add those numbers, $1000+$400 comes to $1400 (which is overly high, no Nissan dealer in the PA area charges $1000 to do a rear seal on one of these models, but hey we'll run with the inflation from your country) so that still comes out to only $140 a year for unplanned maintenance. $11.66 a month. I know people that spend that in coffee each morning at Sheetz (lets not even discuss the price of smokes for those so inclined...). :-) Again, I'll take those maintenance numbers any day on a reliable vehicle. :-) Wil >> Thanks - that's good to know. >> If they say no to a reimbursement, I might whine and grumble for one of [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >work as they will charge much less. And from the 3 shops I called- >*everyone* is familiar with the Pathfinder gasget/stud problem. Good luck. I tend to agree with Wil on the math for some of these big ticket items when you keep a vehicle that long. You gotta look at it from that perspective. I tend to look foward to: I told myself when I did a bunch of repairs between 100,000-120,000 miles is that it's cheaper than a car payment if I end up getting several more years from the truck. I think I'm over the hump for a while now after MAJOR break job, starter, and a few other things. The truck is running great. BUT - After I had the front pipe replace last week and the extra noise from the exhaust leak was gone, that telltail clicking noise is now heard. They guy who replaced the front pipe confirmed the back right stud is shot AGAIN. The dealer replaced all the right side studs less than 2 years ago - THIS I will complain to the dealer about - if they did it right the first time they should not start failing again after only 2 years! But anyway - I think based on everything I've read the manifold stud issue is a goof on Nissan's part, and if they are offering any kind of reimbursement I certainly want in! But I think the dealer needs to eat it for the second round (Wil - I think it was you that said they should mill/plane manifolds, looks like they didn't). Finally - the Nissan rep I spoke to about the manifold stud reimbursemt thing never called back, and has not returned voice mail I've left for him. Even if they aren't gonna offer any compensation, I would at least expect a call back! I'll talk to someone else tomorrow - when they offer to transfer me to his voicemail I tell them he has abandoned me (lol) and I just want the official word. Just a follow up on this, in case anyone is following it... Two things: 1. Still haven't gotten the time of day out of Nissan Consumer Affairs. Will probably call 1 or 2 more times just for the hell of it. 2. Regarding the manifold stud that broke a second time - the dealer is going to replace the manifold. Apparently it's warped (in addition to the busted stud). I pay $250 for the manifold, and they will install it and not change me labor. I don't know if the manifold was warped 2 years ago when they replaced the studs the first time, or if this is a new developement. Anyway, I'm happy with with their offer, and since the dealer is taking care of me, I will be buying that 05 X from them. (at 124000 miles, they could have easily told me to take a hike - bad PR, but I know a lot of dealers that work that way). > Just a follow up on this, in case anyone is following it... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 124000 miles, they could have easily told me to take a hike - bad PR, but > I know a lot of dealers that work that way). You are probably better off getting the existing manifold machined flat - if you are going to keep the vehicle. The new one is simply going to warp as well.  SignatureRob Munach, PE Excel Engineering PO Box 1264 Carrboro, NC 27510 Why the heck are these manifolds so prone to warping? > Why the heck are these manifolds so prone to warping? The warpage is a consequence of broken manifold studs. If the studs don't break, you get no warpage. >> Why the heck are these manifolds so prone to warping? >> > The warpage is a consequence of broken manifold studs. If the studs > don't break, you get no warpage. I believe it is the warpage that breaks the studs. It is a poor manifold design. I heard the passenger side ones warp more because there is usually more standing water in the road which splashes up and warps the manifold. SignatureRob Munach, PE Excel Engineering PO Box 1264 Carrboro, NC 27510 > I believe it is the warpage that breaks the studs. It is a poor manifold > design. I heard the passenger side ones warp more because there is > usually more standing water in the road which splashes up and warps the > manifold. You have it wrong. Remember that the authorized repair is to replace the studs. My '94 had studs replaced with <20k miles, and was still running like a champ with 120k miles when I sold it. >> I believe it is the warpage that breaks the studs. It is a poor >> manifold design. I heard the passenger side ones warp more because [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the studs. My '94 had studs replaced with <20k miles, and was still > running like a champ with 120k miles when I sold it. I took mine to a former Nissan tech and asked how much it would be to fix it. He said he didn't know until he saw how many studs had pulled the threads out of the head. SignatureRob Munach, PE Excel Engineering PO Box 1264 Carrboro, NC 27510 Well, my studs were replaced with the NEW PART NUMBER studs at about 98,000. Then had to be replaced again at about 124,000. (passenger side both times). That second time, the dealer replaced the manifold and studs and only charged me parts. It's really starting to sound like a crap shoot. Maybe a few big puddles, slash, warp, snap. Personally I'm gonna try to avoid the deep puddles just in case. (use to love spashing though them when conditions were right!). I don't think Nissans authorized repair actually cures the problem. > Well, my studs were replaced with the NEW PART NUMBER studs at about > 98,000. Then had to be replaced again at about 124,000. (passenger side [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in case. (use to love spashing though them when conditions were right!). I > don't think Nissans authorized repair actually cures the problem. Correct. The only repair that fixes the problem is to have the warped mainfold milled flat. Then it won't warp again. SignatureRob Munach, PE Excel Engineering PO Box 1264 Carrboro, NC 27510 > 2. Regarding the manifold stud that broke a second time - the dealer is > going to replace the manifold. Apparently it's warped (in addition to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 124000 miles, they could have easily told me to take a hike - bad PR, but > I know a lot of dealers that work that way). I think you're getting a good deal from that dealer. Who is it? sorry for asking this but has the 1994 pathfinder exhaust manifold stud warantee actually been extended? if so, whats actually covered? Thanks, Shawn > > 2. Regarding the manifold stud that broke a second time - the dealer is > > going to replace the manifold. Apparently it's warped (in addition to the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > I think you're getting a good deal from that dealer. Who is it? No need to be sorry for asking!!! I heard on the net somewhere that the warrantee was extended to 100,000 miles. The other day, a I spoke someone at work who owned a 94, and now a 96, and is very knowlegble. He has been through this whole thing and did tons of research. He said the warrantee extension started in 96 (ack-he might have said 97). Anyway, us 94/95 owners are apparently out of luck. Several calls I made to Nissan Consumer Affairs were NEVER returned - which pisses me off to no end. They assigned me a case #, would never return my calls. I complained about this neglect to the last person i talked to and she said a regional VP was gonna take over the case and call me. Never did. Unbelievable. It got to the point were I would tell them I really didn't care if they told me they could do not anything - I just wanted an answer. Kelly Nissanin Beverly, MA, on the other hand, has been very good to me over the years (the free labor manifold install mentioned in this thead is just one example), and in the end I think having a good local dealer is much more important than then having a "consumer affairs" dept that gives a crap. That's why I went ahead and bought the 2005 Xterra from them a few days ago. extended to 100,000 miles? is that all? that likely leaves out pretty much every 94 pathfinder out there...mine has 196,000 and im sure most other peoples are over 100,000 as well... > No need to be sorry for asking!!! > I heard on the net somewhere that the warrantee was extended to 100,000 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That's why I went ahead and bought the 2005 Xterra from them a few days > ago. Yeah, i was pretty happy with that. New manifold was installed, total was just about $250. Dealer was Kelly Nissan, Beverly MA. I ended up buying an 05 X from them, too! First one sold in New England! I called the corporate office regarding my '94 with less than 70,000 miles and was soundly rejected for any sort of compensation. They stated that there is no recall or bulletin attached to my VIN. Can anyone who has actually found success with reimbursement tell us exactly which channels you had to go through? Thanks. This would confirm what my co-worker said - Nissan's only covering '96 and above model years. Us WD-21'ers are out of luck, regardless of milage/age/etc My solution is money talks- Nissan will never sell a car to me again. More than exhaust manifolds- I have sunk $4000 this year alone on my Pathy and now the rear main is leaking (another $1k job). I have a 92 with 95,000. Nissan did the driver's side plus 4 bolts for $650 at the 92k mark. Now at 95k the passenger side is leaking. A local garage is quoting around $310-490 (depends on number of studs); still saving my money. I never imagined I may need to fix it again around 125k miles? Thanks to all for the great info- it helps. >I called the corporate office regarding my '94 with less than 70,000 miles > and was soundly rejected for any sort of compensation. They stated that > there is no recall or bulletin attached to my VIN. Can anyone who has > actually found success with reimbursement tell us exactly which channels > you had to go through? Thanks. > My solution is money talks- Nissan will never sell a car to me again. More > than exhaust manifolds- I have sunk $4000 this year alone on my Pathy and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>actually found success with reimbursement tell us exactly which channels >>you had to go through? Thanks. Other than the passenger side exhaust manifold (which I never fixed), I never had to replace ANYTHING on my '95 Hardbody except front brake pads, spark plugs and air filter. I sold it and bourght a 2004 Frontier crew cab, long bed. SignatureRob Munach, PE Excel Engineering PO Box 1264 Carrboro, NC 27510 has the warrantee for the manifold studs in fact been extended? if so, what's covered? Thanks, Shawn |
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