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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Cars / March 2005

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Adjusted throttle stop -- bad idea?

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JM - 26 Mar 2005 23:18 GMT
So in my ongoing quest to fix the high idle on my 1999 Altima, I decided to
back out the throttle stop screw a little bit and see what happened.
It says right in the service manual, "Never Adjust!" but I decided this was
one of those times where you have to ignore the warnings and give it a go.
It looked like it may have been messed with before, anyway.

About 1/2 turn was all that it took to get my idle down to exactly where
it's supposed to be, around 750 rpm.  Any further turning didn't do
anything, because the throttle was then resting on the fast idle cam.  I
went for a test drive, and everything seemed to work fine, the car felt
noticeably smoother when getting onto the gas lightly and when letting off
and coasting.  It also behaves like my '94 when putting in the clutch now,
coming to a stop, whereas before it would rev up to 2500 rpm when I'd come
to stops.

The only problem I ran into was the throttle was sticking occasionally, but
a quick wipe of the throttle plate and body with a rag and some cleaner
seems to have fixed that.

I checked the throttle position sensor and closed throttle sensor, and they
both seem to be within spec.

So, is there any reason I couldn't or shouldn't leave things as is?  When I
unscrewed the stop screw, it and the lock nut came out together, so they're
still fused to each other, which means I could put things back as they were
just by screwing it back in.  I also marked everything with a marker before
I started.  But the way things are now, I can't see why I couldn't just
thread the screw in until it's against but not actuating the throttle at
all, snug down the locknut, and call it a problem solved.
Steve T - 27 Mar 2005 02:35 GMT
> So, is there any reason I couldn't or shouldn't leave things as is?  

Not that I can think of unless you enjoy making things more complicated than
they have to be!  :-)
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JM - 27 Mar 2005 15:54 GMT
> > So, is there any reason I couldn't or shouldn't leave things as is?
> Not that I can think of unless you enjoy making things more complicated than
> they have to be!  :-)

Heh, nope, I can't argue with that logic! :)
john smith - 27 Mar 2005 07:15 GMT
The problem you run into when adjusting the throttle plate is tha tif
you unscrew it too much it will stick and if you have it adjusted too
far open the engine cannot control the idle speed.  If yours was off a
bit you are in luck since yours seems to work fine now.  ut to really
idle the car down you need to find the source of the vacuum leak or use
the air idle screw.

> So in my ongoing quest to fix the high idle on my 1999 Altima, I decided to
> back out the throttle stop screw a little bit and see what happened.
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> thread the screw in until it's against but not actuating the throttle at
> all, snug down the locknut, and call it a problem solved.
JM - 27 Mar 2005 15:26 GMT
> The problem you run into when adjusting the throttle plate is tha tif
> you unscrew it too much it will stick and if you have it adjusted too
> far open the engine cannot control the idle speed.  If yours was off a
> bit you are in luck since yours seems to work fine now.  ut to really
> idle the car down you need to find the source of the vacuum leak or use
> the air idle screw.

Agreed, but I have tried and been unable to get the idle air screw to turn..
and made a mess of it in the process.
I stumbled on this as being the problem by cleaning the throttle plate/body
in the first place and suddenly having an even higher idle than before.
After scratching my head for a while, I pulled off the aux air hose and
plugged it, and the car kept running, which it wouldn't do before -- I had
used this "technique" to test for vacuum leaks in the aux air system in the
past.  So by cleaning the grime out of the T/B I allowed a bit more air to
squeeze around the throttle plate at the "closed" position and aggravated
the problem.

I think it was a case of that screw being off a bit in the first place,
which explains the weird idle that I was getting, so I'll leave it as is and
see how
it goes.  It's only about 1/2 turn out anyway so if it does end up to not
work, it's easily returned to the way it was.

Thanks for the replies :)
JM - 28 Mar 2005 22:29 GMT
Well, as it turns out, adjusting the throttle stop wasn't quite the perfect
fix it first seemed to be at first -- the idle is still too high at startup
and until the car warms up, the engine still wants to race a few seconds
when I put in the clutch.  I guess this makes sense because what I did to
solve the problem (adjusting the throttle stop screw) doesn't come into play
until the fast idle cam lets the throttle rest against the stop, and that
won't happen until the car warms up.

It does seem though that if I could actually get the idle adjust screw to
turn, I would be able to solve the problem in both conditions...  is the
idle adjust screw normally sealed or secured in any way?  Mine definitely
does NOT want to turn in either direction.
 
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