My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
Needless to say, with gas prices above 2.50 a gallon coupled with the
thirsty V8 engine and heavy weight, I am spending a small fortune on fuel
costs. I am ok with it as I really enjoy driving my vehicle...However, the
wife is pressuring me to get rid of it and buy a fuel efficient Civic or
Sentra. My mechanic recommended that I do things to improve fuel economy
such as keeping the tires properly inflated, the wheels aligned and air
filter clean.... The tires were inflated properly and the wheels were not
out of alignment as the vehicle is still relatively new.....My mechanic
mentioned that many auto makers have switched to 5w20 motor oil as it offers
better fuel economy. He said Ford and Honda use it extensively and that
Nissan makes a great engine and can easily run well on it. He said to use
exxon 5w20 as it contains an additive called molybedunum (sp) which will
help protect the engine better. I'm hoping that this will improve mileage
to the extent where my wife won't pressure me to dump the truck, but I am
concerned about voiding the warranty....Has anybody gotten good results with
5-20 oil in a vehicle that did not spec it? Is it safe for me to go ahead
and use it for at least one tankful to guage the impact on fuel economy?
TIA,
Jim
Arturo Ui - 30 Jul 2005 20:38 GMT
> My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
> to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
> Needless to say, with gas prices above 2.50 a gallon
You're luck to live in the USA, we in the UK are paying upward of 90 pence a
litre for our petrol.......
coupled with the
> thirsty V8 engine and heavy weight, I am spending a small fortune on fuel
> costs. I am ok with it as I really enjoy driving my vehicle...However, the
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> 5-20 oil in a vehicle that did not spec it? Is it safe for me to go ahead
> and use it for at least one tankful to guage the impact on fuel economy?
Artie
M.M. - 30 Jul 2005 20:53 GMT
> You're luck to live in the USA, we in the UK are paying upward of 90 pence a
> litre for our petrol.......
How much of that is tax? 80p? Sounds like you need to complain to your
govt. Everybody pays about the same for the oil, the differences are
mostly in taxes.
As to the OP's question...check your owner's manual and see what it
recommends for oil. If 5W-20 is not on the list, I wouldn't use it. At
any rate, I doubt it'll make much difference. Your best bet is to take
your wife's advice...get a smaller vehicle. Do you really need all that
iron just to get to work?
JimV - 30 Jul 2005 21:31 GMT
Tire pressure and oil are not going to make a significant difference. Do
yourself and the planet a favor and but something more economical for
your long commute. Not to mention how fast the value of your Titan is
falling with all those miles.
> My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
> to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
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> TIA,
> Jim
Andy Champ - 30 Jul 2005 23:42 GMT
> Tire pressure and oil are not going to make a significant difference. Do
> yourself and the planet a favor and but something more economical for
> your long commute. Not to mention how fast the value of your Titan is
> falling with all those miles.
Hear, hear! MM, it's *your* government we need to lobby you stop you
using more than your fair share of the oil, and resultant CO2. Just
imagine if a billion Chinese lived the way you do? I feel guilty about
my 30-miles-to-the-US-gallon Primera!
We do have unfair taxes over here, lots of them, the fuel tax is one of
the few I think is a good thing.
Andy
JimV - 31 Jul 2005 01:37 GMT
>> Tire pressure and oil are not going to make a significant difference.
>> Do yourself and the planet a favor and but something more economical
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> using more than your fair share of the oil, and resultant CO2. Just
> imagine if a billion Chinese lived the way you do?
It's just a matter of time before a billion Chinese are living the way
we do. Or at least trying to.
Arturo Ui - 31 Jul 2005 10:26 GMT
> > Hear, hear! MM, it's *your* government we need to lobby you stop you
> > using more than your fair share of the oil, and resultant CO2. Just
> > imagine if a billion Chinese lived the way you do?
>
> It's just a matter of time before a billion Chinese are living the way
> we do. Or at least trying to.
Some of them are already - I last went to China 3 years ago and there were a
lot of vehicles on the road (Ancient & modern) Shanghai had lots of jams in
the 'rush hour'. It is only a matter of time or govt. intervention to
provide a decent public transport system. (Just like we don't have here in
the UK)
Artie
Ashton Crusher - 31 Jul 2005 19:49 GMT
>>> Tire pressure and oil are not going to make a significant difference.
>>> Do yourself and the planet a favor and but something more economical
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>It's just a matter of time before a billion Chinese are living the way
>we do. Or at least trying to.
IN the long term we are going to wind up living like they do, small or
no cars, cramped housing, packed streets day and night.
Ed White - 31 Jul 2005 01:47 GMT
The difference in mileage between 5W20 and 5W30 is going to be trivial
for you (maybe 2%). Why take a chance with the life of your engine for
that? Ford and Honda did extensive testing before recommending 5W20.
Nissian either did not test 5w20, or did testing and had poor results.
Ed
Steve T - 31 Jul 2005 04:41 GMT
>Has anybody gotten good results
> with
> 5-20 oil in a vehicle that did not spec it?
I can't imagine this would give a noticable difference in MPG. You'd be
lucky to see .5 to 1 MPG if that. Sure not going to make it use fuel like a
Civic!

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Daniel J. Stern - 31 Jul 2005 06:10 GMT
> > Has anybody gotten good results with 5-20 oil in a vehicle that did
> > not spec it?
> I can't imagine this would give a noticable difference in MPG. You'd be
> lucky to see .5 to 1 MPG if that.
Er...he'd be lucky to see any measurable MPG difference at all. Some
automakers spec 5w20 oil in North America so as to gain tiny, tiny
improvements in MPG on the CAFE certification test.
Steve T - 01 Aug 2005 08:08 GMT
>> > Has anybody gotten good results with 5-20 oil in a vehicle that did
>> > not spec it?
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>
> Er...he'd be lucky to see any measurable MPG difference at all.
Yep, sounds like a waste of time to me. I'm sure though someone will try
this, drive "carefully" and prove to themselves it helps?

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Codifus - 01 Aug 2005 15:26 GMT
>>>Has anybody gotten good results with 5-20 oil in a vehicle that did
>>>not spec it?
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> automakers spec 5w20 oil in North America so as to gain tiny, tiny
> improvements in MPG on the CAFE certification test.
Exactly. I vary between 10-30 and 5-30 in my cars (Both recommended by
Nissan) and even though 5-30 is the one recommend for best feul economy,
I hardly, if at all, see any difference. If I want feul economy, I have
to adjust my driving habits and/or car. I once achived 33 MPG from my
3.0 Liter VQ V6 1998 5-speed Maxima. I did that for one entire tankful,
driving 55-60 mph max on the highway and changing gears before the tach
went past 2000 rpms. Being lead footed by nature I know I will never do
that again:)
CD
ladeedadeedaadaa - 31 Jul 2005 15:09 GMT
if you are worried about 5w20, call your local nissan dealership and
ask 'em.. ask to speak to one of their technicians. they are usually
willing to answer a quick question.
Huw - 31 Jul 2005 17:59 GMT
> if you are worried about 5w20, call your local nissan dealership and
> ask 'em.. ask to speak to one of their technicians. they are usually
> willing to answer a quick question.
Alternatively, RTFM.
Huw
Alex Rodriguez - 01 Aug 2005 03:35 GMT
>My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
>to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
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>5-20 oil in a vehicle that did not spec it? Is it safe for me to go ahead
>and use it for at least one tankful to guage the impact on fuel economy?
the oil is not going to make enough of a difference to justify keeping the
truck.
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Alex
Mike Romain - 01 Aug 2005 14:26 GMT
Using non approved oil will void the warranty.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
> to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
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> TIA,
> Jim
John S. - 01 Aug 2005 21:10 GMT
> My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
> to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
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> 5-20 oil in a vehicle that did not spec it? Is it safe for me to go ahead
> and use it for at least one tankful to guage the impact on fuel economy?
Changing to an oil not recommended by the maker might void the warranty
- check with the car maker first. Any change in milage will be minute
I would think.
With a car called the "Titan" I think there are far better ways of
improving milage. If mpg is what you want to improve then take your
wife's advice and switch to a smaller car.
900 miles a week - wow that's almost 200 miles a day! I don't know
what money you have tied up in the Titan or it's age, but you will take
a financial hit by selling it if it's fairly new, so just remember to
factor in what it will cost you to give up the Titan and buy a smaller
car.
Jim - 03 Aug 2005 04:15 GMT
> My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
> to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
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> TIA,
> Jim
I bought my 98 Nissan SE just for commuting--150 miles a day--5 days a
week. Even that cost a lot in gas. But the thing that really added up
the $$$ was maintenance--just the normal stuff, needed a set of 4
winter tires (Michelin X-ice), replacing worn out tires, replacing at
least one windshield a year, etc. Lucky for me, it was pretty reliable.
Eventually, we got in a car pool--4 of us (can't do that very well in a
truck). That really cut down on the expenses.
Then we hit the jackpot: we got enough people to form a vanpool-with
the van provided by the council of govts. here in Colo Springs. We are
up to 11 commuters in our vanpool. We have a 15 passenger 2000 Ford
E350. It sucks up about 10-11 gallons a day.
BUT--
We pay only $135.00 a month each. That includes gas, insurance,
breakdown coverage, maintenance, and free emergency ride home (2 per
year, if needed, in a taxi, or rent-a-car). And our workplaces provide
us with $100.00 in Commuter Checks per month. So we pay $35.00 a month
each.
BUT--
The driver gets to ride free. We take turns driving, so each month we
draw, to see who got the free month!!!
On the negative side, one of us (me) has to take care of the van, gas it
up, get it washed, and take it in for maintenance when due. One person
also has to collect the money, and makes up a driver schedule, and a
schedule of who is off each day. And for the drivers, we had to get
approved, and take an on-line defensive drivers' course. And we have to
try to get along with each other and each other's idiosyncracies.
Check your community, and see if they offer a carpool or vanpool
program, if it is a popular route you take.
(End of verbose mode--sorry)
Jim
John S. - 03 Aug 2005 14:38 GMT
> > My daily commute has just increased (due to a new job) from 22 miles per day
> > to 115-120 and I am now racking up about 900 miles per week on my Titan.
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> Check your community, and see if they offer a carpool or vanpool
> program, if it is a popular route you take.
Good deal. Since the Springs ain't that big, I've gotta ask how you
would accumulate 900 miles in driving a week. Denver isn't that
far...Cheyenne maybe?
Jim - 04 Aug 2005 01:42 GMT
> Good deal. Since the Springs ain't that big, I've gotta ask how you
> would accumulate 900 miles in driving a week. Denver isn't that
> far...Cheyenne maybe?
I work a little bit more than 75 miles away from my house. 150 miles
round trip times 5 = 750 miles plus weekend and personal mileage on
vehicle. I admit it's not 900, but its close enough to what the
original Jim posted for me to respond. If it's a good deal for me, it
would be a better deal for him, if he could get in an arrangement like this.
Jim