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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Cars / December 2006

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intermittent starting problems 98 Sentra SE

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Jim - 23 Dec 2006 05:41 GMT
I bought my 98 Sentra SE new from the Nissan dealer.  I have an
intermittent problem, that only occurs once every two years or so.  It
usually starts immediately.  But occasionally, it almost starts, but
doesn't, and the starter keeps cranking, and it almost starts, then
cranks, and repeats this cycle, but never starts up.  You can hear the
fuel pump running.  The engine acts and smells like it is flooded.

When this happens, it has not been run for a day or two.  And it has
been kept in my unheated garage.  And usually, the previous time I
started it, I changed my mind and shut the engine off after a minute or
two, not giving it a chance to warm up.  And this has only happens
during the winter when its cold.

Today it happened again, so I figured I'd cover all bases--I hooked the
battery to the charger and I put some "Heat" moisture remover in the
gas.  The battery showed fully charged after an hour, showing that it
was OK to begin with.  These steps did not help.

If I let the car sit a couple hours, and try again, eventually the
"almost starts" get closer and closer together, and if I keep cranking
the engine, they will get so close together, the engine will start
running roughly, and then run OK, until the next time (in one or two
years).

The mechanics said it is worthless to look at because, if it starts
right up when it's in their garage, there's no way to diagnose the problem.

Any idea what's going on, and how to unflood the engine, if that's the case?

Jim
John Henderson - 23 Dec 2006 06:25 GMT
> I bought my 98 Sentra SE new from the Nissan dealer.  I have
> an intermittent problem, that only occurs once every two years
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> Any idea what's going on, and how to unflood the engine, if
> that's the case?

I've certainly heard of other cars having similiar problems
after being run cold for only a very short time.  The ECU seems
to get confused about appropriate mixture during the next
start.

I suspect your "flooding" diagnosis is correct.  The old
technique from the carby days works on most newer cars: when it
does this, hold the gas pedal flat to the floor until it starts
(it shouldn't take long).  If you've already tried that and it
didn't work, we'll need to think again.

John
max@dontspam.me - 24 Dec 2006 00:21 GMT
>I bought my 98 Sentra SE new from the Nissan dealer.  I have an
>intermittent problem, that only occurs once every two years or so.  It
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>
>Jim

Jim,

This seems to be a fairly common problems with Sentras of that
vintage.

We have a 99 Sentra and, no matter what the outside temperature,
(we've had it happen in the winter as well as summer), it's had
problems turning over after it's sat for more than a couple of weeks
without being run.

This is what I've discovered,

1.  My local technician said that this most likely is caused by one or
more leaky fuel injectors.  This isn't a problem if the car is started
regularly, but if the car is left to sit, the injector(s), slowly leak
fuel into the cylinder heads and, basically, floods the top of the
piston head with fuel.  

Liquid fuel doesn't burn.  Thus the starting problems.

2.  When this happens, there's the "easy" way to get the car running,
and the "hard" way.

The easy way is to completely floor the gas pedal and do NOT let up
while cranking the starter.  You may have to run the starter as long
as 15 or 20 seconds (or longer) before the car will crank over, but
basically, what you're doing is burning/forcing the excess fuel out of
the cylinders.  The car *will* eventually crank over.  

The "hard" way is to remove the spark plugs and let the car sit while
the pistons vent the excess fuel out of the plug holes. This can take
as much as an hour to make any difference.

Of course, the *best* way to correct this problem is to fix the leaky
injector(s) and the problem will go away.  However according to my
technician, if the injector is only leaking enough to affect the car
only after several weeks, it's probably not worth the cost to repair
it.  He did caution though that if I don't drive the car often, it's
better to have it repaired because there's always the possibility that
the fuel could leak down the cylinder walls and if the rings are worn
enough,, there's the possibility that some fuel could get into the
lubrication system.  

And of course, that's never a good thing.  :-)

Anyways, I've found that as long as I start the car at least once
every two weeks, I've never had a repeat of the hard start problem.

Dang, that reminds me, I *have* to get around to putting a for sale
sign up on that car. *sigh*

As always, YMMV..etc etc.

cheers
NissTech - 24 Dec 2006 05:23 GMT
This condition is due it Nissans infinite wisdom and forward thinking... NOT

For some unknown reason , Nissan Decided to only use 2 rings on each piston
instead of 3 like most engines do.

99% of most engines use 3 rings, a compression ring, a scraper ring and an
oil ring.

Nissan only used 2 rings on the GA series engines used from 95-99 , therein
lies the problem.

With only 2 rings per piston/cylinder it becomes quite easy to flood the
engine due to "lack of proper compression"
at start up, hence the flooding.

this is a VERY common complaint. learn the flooded engine start up method
and all will be ok

> I bought my 98 Sentra SE new from the Nissan dealer.  I have an
> intermittent problem, that only occurs once every two years or so.  It
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>
> Jim
Jim - 24 Dec 2006 16:51 GMT
Thanks Mr. NissTech and everyone else who responded.  Fortunately this
only happens only every two years or so (this is the third time, since I
bought the car new).

Jim

> This condition is due it Nissans infinite wisdom and forward thinking... NOT
>
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> this is a VERY common complaint. learn the flooded engine start up method
> and all will be ok
Codifus - 28 Dec 2006 13:43 GMT
> This condition is due it Nissans infinite wisdom and forward thinking... NOT

I'd blame Nissan management. If you remember, Nissan was in a fantastic
financial mess around 95 to 99. They were something like 10 billion in
debt. Speculation of fault was due to bad management. Management was
probably cutting corners everywhere to save a penny here and there while
the engineers were screaming "You're screwing up my car!":) My favorite
Nissan is the 97-99 Maxima, and when I compare it to my friend's 92
Maxima, I definitely see the drop in quality, materials, and
workmanship. The 92 was well put together, had better materials like
nicer plastics, seats and such. My 98 wasn't bad, but it could have been
at least as good as the 92.

CD

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