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Car rough idle problems need help.

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Greg Rozelle - 05 Oct 2007 13:15 GMT
1993 Nissan Altima GXE

Car rough idle problem need help.

I know I asked this before.    I am going to be a little bit more
detailed.

When in park, neutral it shakes
When in reverse it shakes worse.
When in drive it shakes under 30 mph.
When going above 30 it shakes a lot less or does not shake at all.
Shakes at stops.

From Reading
Spark plugs & wires seem to be the most cause even if they look new.
Wouldn't a compression test tell if it is bad spark plugs?

Next is a fuel filter.   Which I am tempted to try.

The other is a fuel injector.

Greg Rozelle

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Compression test will only show worn Piston rings  or bad valve/valve
seats.

Test your plug wires  with an ohm meter  doesn't really matter what
reading you get   just as long as all the wires are close  I can't
remember what resistance plug wires have per foot,   but like I said  
if one is bad you will see a very large difference.  Also look at the
plugs and see if  any are fouled (oil)   or are also burnt white
(which could indicate a lean running condition). like the wires  all
the plugs  should look like each other of one is differnet  then you
know you have an issue in that cylnder  which is causing the rough
idle.

Take the time and mark you plug wires before you take them off.

Good practice to change your fuel/air  filters  when ever you do a
tune up. You should be able to blow through the fuel filter fairly
easely (be carefull of gas) If it is acting like your trying to blow
up a balloon  your filter is plugged.

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D&JG - 06 Oct 2007 17:10 GMT
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> easely (be carefull of gas) If it is acting like your trying to blow
> up a balloon  your filter is plugged.

When measuring with an ohm meter, the total from the coil to the plug,
on any lead, should not be more than about 15,000 ohms.  If over,
replace them all.
Jim Yanik - 05 Oct 2007 15:34 GMT
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> The other is a fuel injector.

run some injector cleaner for a couple of tank-fulls.

> Greg Rozelle

could be bad plug wires(insulation breakdown),worn distributor cap/rotor.
could be old,worn plugs;have to pull them and inspect.

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Ann - 06 Oct 2007 00:51 GMT
My son's 91 240SX .. the cause was a fuel injector and old spark plugs
and spark plug wires.  One of the fuel injectors just stopped all together.

Plugs and wires were the originals so of course over the span of 16 years,
they needed to be changed out.  This even with just over 40,000 miles.

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DunnoWho - 07 Oct 2007 20:58 GMT
You might have fuel injectors that are getting plugged. It is really CHEAP
to put some injector cleaner into your gas tank. You can even buy it at
Wall;yu-Mart for maybe a buck. I had one injector changed on a 97 P.U. 2.4
liter and it made a Big Difference. The mechanic had said my problem
*wasn't* that #4 injector - but the check engine alarm said #4 cylinder was
misfiring. The mechanic/technician stated that because he could NOT hear the
injector making any noise he felt "sure" that wasn't my problem - - - Wrong.
This truck had far better power and smoothness after that injector got
changed. That mechanic told me the Nissan fuel injectors are well known as
being prone to getting plugged up.

Then we were using some bad "grocery store" cheap gas for a while and BOTH
my truck and wife's car started running rough as a cob. I began using some
injector cleaner and both our vehicles started running okay after that.
Probably the best injector cleaner I've used was some I believe was from an
anti-freeze company like maybe (?) Prestone I bought in a Pep Boys. It was
in a tall silver or gray plastic bottle and it probably cost more than most
clearers. It worked great! The accumulated carbon that then got burned out
of the truck combustion chambers caused that truck to overheat quite a bit
for the first several miles after the injector cleaner was poured in!
IMPRESSIVE!

Another problem this '97 XE pickup (4 cylinder) has had is the original
distributer cap gets dirty (why????) INSIDE and it can cause the engine to
be hard to start - especially in wet weather. ROUGH running and hard
starting also can be caused when the high tension wires to the spark plugs
get dirty. I once met an electrical engineer who told me about that. He
would take a rag and carefully clean off his high voltage wires to the spark
plugs. With a dirty distributer or spark plug wires, the dirt will attract
moisture and that allows the spark plug voltege & current to leak off
("short circuit") though the 'dirt' to the vehicle ground = chassis. What
works REAL nice to heal your electrical leakage probelm (short circuit of
high voltage to ground) is to buy a can of silicone spray & coat the plug
wires & distributer with that stuff. After the silicone gets soaked-into the
plug wires, the wires tend to repel water a lot better, - - -  a can of
silicone spray is cheap insurance.

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Greg Rozelle - 07 Oct 2007 21:38 GMT
>You might have fuel injectors that are getting plugged. It is really CHEAP
>to put some injector cleaner into your gas tank. You can even buy it at
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>> Greg Rozelle

It should not be the distributor or bad gas or fuel filter.  I have
eliminated those problems.  

distributor was replaced last year.

It could be any of the following
Spark plugs
Air filter
Fuel injector.

The problem is now intermittent.  (Off & on)

I am going to go with a fuel injector for now.  

If Nissan fuel injectors go bad often.   Would it pay just to get
those at the auto store instead of the Nissan dealer?

My problem is convincing my mechanic  to buy those parts.  He wants to
get designer parts.

Greg Rozelle
Jim Yanik - 07 Oct 2007 23:11 GMT


> It could be any of the following
> Spark plugs
What about plug WIRES? They get old and degrade.And cause misfiring.
> Air filter
> Fuel injector.
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Bill - 08 Oct 2007 10:49 GMT
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:58:36 GMT, "DunnoWho"
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> Greg Rozelle

You mention the distributor was replaced last year.  There has been
some posts regarding oil leaks into the distributor once it's been
changed.

Bill
DunnoWho - 24 Oct 2007 18:08 GMT
>>You might have fuel injectors that are getting plugged. It is really CHEAP
>>to put some injector cleaner into your gas tank. You can even buy it at
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> get designer parts.
> Greg Rozelle

The reason why you won't have a vibration problem at higher engine speeds is
the flywheel effect. With the engine turning a couple thousand RPMs the
weight of the rotating mass means it's virtually impossible to the motor to
exhibit any momentary slowing down or speeding up - the "inertia" of all
that rotating steel is too much to allow you to notice any slow-down taking
in such a short taime frame. Then your engine will seem to "run smoothly" at
highway speeds (or even maybe at 40 MPH) but will be noticably rough at an
idle.

It's the easiest thing in the world to dump a can of injector clearer into
your gas tank and it only costs $5 to $7 for the best cleaners. I've been
using "Sea Foam" injector cleaner lately which was highly recommended around
here, and it seems to work okay & costs $5 per can. Be sure to put a can of
that in the tank when the tank is near empty - and then fill your tank with
gas so it can mix with the cleaner. DON'T put a whole can in unless you are
gonna put a lot of gas in on top of the cleaner.

Around here we usually need to special order Nissan parts like injectors
from the largest dealer who is also a big representative for Nissan. But
there are now auto parts dealers online who may give you a better price.
Injectors should be quite common - but a lot of manufacturers are trying to
get rich by selling high priced parts.

It seems possible your car mechanic may be trying to "rook" you. He ought to
be able to read the computer error code (I'd guess) that almost assuredly IS
an available diagnostic aid for your vehicle. That was how I knew my 97 p.u.
truck had an injector problem & the error code even said it was with the #4
cylinder injector.

Later I bought a neat little computer diagnostic tool that's even BETTER
than trying to "read" the flashing Check-Engine light as it puts out the
error code. This diagnosis tool is the "Scan Tool" (or ScanTool) and is
available from the "ScanTool.net" web site. This gizmo's input connects to
your vehicle's computer plug-in socket and the other side will plug into a
port (serial port) on your computer or laptop. With this ScanTool little
circuit board and a cable you also get the computer program you need to READ
those errors. This is absolutely great!!!!! there are a couple different
models for vaious manufacturers, and mine (most foreign cars) is the OBD-2
type. This stands for "On Board Diagnostices vers. 2".

***BAD MANIFOLD AIR FLOW METER***
I'd forgot about this - but 3 years ago a problem developed that my Nissan
truck Manifold Air Flow Meter went bad. This made my 97 p.u run very rough.
I was NOT able to *read* what that problem was by reading the flashing Check
Engine light as is usually possible. But when I plugged-in the ScanTool and
did that test with a computer it told the M.A.F. meter was BAD. (This was a
bummer!!) I finally got a replacement MAF which had to come from a Nissan
dealer = costly.  I'd looked at numerous used parts dealers online but could
not find an exact replacement model MAF meter to replace mine. In the end I
had to pay about $432 plus tax for a new one at the authorized Nissan
dealer.
  HINT: you *can't* (always) simply replace the plug-in electronic module
portion of the MAF Meter and expect the engine to run right. Each electronic
module (less than the size of a pack of Luck Strike) is specifically
adjusted for the airflow charactoristics of the "throat" of the precisely
machined aluminum flow meter body.

By taking my old electronic module apart, I found that water had entered it
and there was corrosion and "gook" on the circuit board. When installing the
new unit a bunch of silicone bathtub caulk was applied on it to keep out any
water.
Vic A. - 25 Oct 2007 13:57 GMT
Try using a "Top Tier" gasoline like Shell, Chevron or Texaco (and some
others) which has injector cleaner in it.

>>>You might have fuel injectors that are getting plugged. It is really
>>>CHEAP
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> installing the new unit a bunch of silicone bathtub caulk was applied on
> it to keep out any water.
system - 08 Oct 2007 12:42 GMT
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Check intake manifold and injectors for vacuum leaks.(Had the same
problem with 1999 Altima)
 
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