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'94 Sentra ignition misfire

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Mark Fields - 20 May 2008 02:09 GMT
Today I was driving my '94 Sentra (265K miles) on  a 20 mile trip and when I
reached my destination I noticed a misfire.  Engine was running fine when I
started.

I pulled each plug wire one by one and #4 seemed to be the culprit since the
idle didn't change much.  The wires looked pretty good.  I pulled the spark
plug and it looked OK.

I changed rotor and cap which looked like a bit of arcing maybe a little
worse on #4 terminal on inside.

The misfire only seemed to improve slightly.  I have not checked cable
resistance.

I did notice that when I remove #4 while engine is running, there is a lot
more frequent sparking to ground (coming out boot end when held near metal)
compared to #3, #2 or #1.  I'd say it seems to park at about twice the rate.

Would this symptom indicate the wire is bad?  I have a set on order and
thgey will be in tomorrow but if that doesn't cure the misfire I will be
looking for other things to correct it.

Wires are about 2 years old but the set is a lifetime guarantee so replacing
it won't cost anything but time.

Mark
Mark Fields - 21 May 2008 00:55 GMT
OK,

1) Replacing rotor & cap did not help.
2) Wires were "lifetime" so they are now replaced this did not help.
3) Replaced plugs on outside chance it was an internal defect in the plug.
No help.

Symptom is the same, noticeable power loss and feels like engine miss.  When
plug wires are removed with engine running, no loss of speed when #4 is
removed.  Noticeable idle speed loss when 1, 2 or 3 wire is removed.

I did notice 1, 2 and 3 plugs looked normal but with a light carbon deposit.
#4 looked cleaner, almost no carbon buildup.  Plug itself did not show signs
of cracks or any damage.

I took off the oil filler cap while the engine was running and noticed
somewhat of a light "chugging" sound, with a pretty good volume of pulsing
air coming from the hole.  A little bit of oil vapor not too much.  I don't
have any smoke in the exhaust.

Any ideas on what diagnostic to run next?  Maybe a compression test?  I'd
suspecting a broken or worn valve spring but I've never seen this on an
engine myself so I don't know what it the symptoms would be.

Thanks in advance,

Mark

> Today I was driving my '94 Sentra (265K miles) on  a 20 mile trip and when
> I reached my destination I noticed a misfire.  Engine was running fine
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> Mark
codifus - 21 May 2008 15:08 GMT
> OK,
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> > Mark

Perhaps your electronics are off kilter.Clean your ground points.
The areas to look at are;

1. On positive battery connector there are usually 2 wires coming out
of it. one is the thick regular one and the other is goes through the
fusebox next to the battery. Clean that connection. I had a problem in
my sentra that got so bad that the car would stall. It turned out to
be that the positive connection to the fuses was corroded beyond
belief. Cleaning that restored the car to normal.
2. Alternator connection. Unplug and re-plug the connectors after
cleaning them with a steel toothbrush or some such item.
3. The negative battery cable usually connects to the transmission
bell housing. unplug and clean that.

Hope this helps.

CD
nucleus - 22 May 2008 13:26 GMT
> OK,
>
> I took off the oil filler cap while the engine was running and noticed
> somewhat of a light "chugging" sound, with a pretty good volume of pulsing
> air coming from the hole.

i would not expect this, unless #4 has excessive blowby or something
has
happened to a valve or valve guide or valve guide seal.

> Maybe a compression test?

definitely, a compression test of all cylinders would tell you the
health of each.
speedy - 22 May 2008 02:30 GMT
If you still suspect spark misfire, then hook up a timing light and
watch the strobe. Its pretty easy to see a misfiring plug that way.

Codifus advice is also good to check large connections like battery and
grounds.

Did you chack the plug gap when you installed them? (doesnt apply if you
 bought good platinum or iridium styles. Also avoid Bosch plugs. They
are the only ones I have seen used up in a few thousand miles.

-SP

> Today I was driving my '94 Sentra (265K miles) on  a 20 mile trip and when I
> reached my destination I noticed a misfire.  Engine was running fine when I
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> Mark
Mark Fields - 22 May 2008 23:37 GMT
Thanks for the response.

I didn't know about the electrical connection thing so I will check it out.

The way #4 behaves (i.e. no loss of idle speed when the spark plug wire is
removed) was the same before and then after all the items were replaced.  I
noticed the probelm with #4 and after changing rotor, sap, all spark plugs
and spark plug wires the result is the same.

The spark plug wires were Bosch 09814 Wire Set (Stainless steel Mag winding,
100% pure Silicone jacket, Kevlar reinforced core. Lifetime warranty.  I
first started using them on this vehicle April 2001 when the car had 150K
miles.  I replaced the Bosch set with the exact same part number in March
2006 at 250K miles because wire #1 developed a small hole in the insulation.
It was that set which was on the car Monday.  Tuesday I replaced it with a
third set of the same part number (no charge replacement) thinking perhaps
there were breaks in the wire.

The spark plugs removed were Bosch Platinum FR8DPX.  These plugs were
installed July 2007 and had only 5,000 miles on them (all local town
driving).  They looked good but since it seemed like an ignition problem at
first I figured it was worth replacing them.  The set I installed Tuesday
was the NGK BKR5ES-11.  They are copper cored plugs.  I think they are very
close to OEM plugs.

The gaps was checked and all were at 0.044" as they were installed.

I of course kept the Bosch plugs since they had little miles on them.  #1,
#2 and #3 look almost identical with carbon buildup.  Just a little though.
#4 seems to actualy have less carbon buildup.  If needed I could post a
photo I suppose.

Mark

> If you still suspect spark misfire, then hook up a timing light and watch
> the strobe. Its pretty easy to see a misfiring plug that way.
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>> Mark
Mark Fields - 29 May 2008 02:16 GMT
Thanks to all who offered suggestions.

It turned out it was not an ignition problem though the old method of
pulling plug wires one by one coupled with the 'miss' seemed to indicate
this.

Compression was checked and found to be consistent and good for an old car
with 265K miles.

The real reason turned out to be a malfunctioning fuel injector on the bad
cylinder.  I had already dropped the car off for diagnosis (I don't have a
compression guage) before looking through the repair manuals and figured
possibly the fuel injector was to blame.  the repair shop called and said
they suspected the same thing after the compression check and replace it
with a new one.  Now the engine is running fine again.

Thanks again for the ideas.  Time to put the car back in service and keep
racking up the miles.

Mark

> Today I was driving my '94 Sentra (265K miles) on  a 20 mile trip and when
> I reached my destination I noticed a misfire.  Engine was running fine
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> Mark
 
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