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2004 Nissan Quest - universal catalytic converter ok?

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Me - 24 May 2008 21:12 GMT
Hi all,

Looks like I need a new catalytic converter on my Quest...  I'm over the
80k federal warranty & it looks like the "Nissan Gold Preferred Plus" isn't
all that comprehensive so they don't want to cover it either.

Can I install one of those 'universal' cats that I see advertised since
they're only like 25% of the cost of the Nissan OEM one?

Thanks!
speedy - 25 May 2008 03:38 GMT
I've bought a few that were OEM fit, but not OEM with no problems. Check
out Summit Racing for pricing. Thats where I bought mine.

-SP

> Hi all,
>
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>
> Thanks!
Me - 25 May 2008 05:48 GMT
speedy <noone@home.net> wrote in news:4838d11a$0$4068
$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Subject: Re: 2004 Nissan Quest - universal catalytic converter

Thanks - I checked out the site but they don't seem to have one for the
Quest - just lists it for the Frontier and the Xterra...  are 'univeral'
cats not really 'universal'?  If so, does anyone know where to get a non-
factory one for the Quest?
Me - 25 May 2008 06:21 GMT
> speedy <noone@home.net> wrote in news:4838d11a$0$4068
> $4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
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> cats not really 'universal'?  If so, does anyone know where to get a non-
> factory one for the Quest?

Also - I forgot to ask about this...  I'm trying to figure out how bad of a
problem this bad cat can be.  The guy at the dealership told me having the
bad cat in there will make the computer mix the fuel too rich or too lean &
then if it gets really bad the 'parts' inside the cat might be sucked into
the engine & cause engine failure sometime when I start it.
Jim Yanik - 25 May 2008 15:41 GMT
>> speedy <noone@home.net> wrote in news:4838d11a$0$4068
>> $4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
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> cat might be sucked into the engine & cause engine failure sometime
> when I start it.

look on Wikipedia about the QR25DE motor and catalytic problems.

BTW,the UPstream O2 sensor determines the fuel mix,and the rear downstrteam
O2S checks the cat to see if it's there and working.

The usual problem with cats is that they clog up,become an obstruction.

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still just me - 25 May 2008 17:15 GMT
>look on Wikipedia about the QR25DE motor and catalytic problems.

Any extra help from Nissan on this known issue? Or is this another of
Nissan's "we built in a manufacturing defect but once you are out of
warranty we don't give a $hit".

To the OP: Check your local auto parts store. They can get you an
aftermarket cat that will fit like the original at a reasonable price.
al - 26 May 2008 03:11 GMT
> > speedy <no...@home.net> wrote in news:4838d11a$0$4068
> > $4c368...@roadrunner.com:
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> then if it gets really bad the 'parts' inside the cat might be sucked into
> the engine & cause engine failure sometime when I start it.

An aftermarket cat should be fine.  I believe there are federal
standards with which any cat sold in this countrty must comply.  Check
with the auto parts store and you should be able to find a good one
that will fit and be a lot cheaper than the dealer.  The universal
ones often have the correct size flanges on either end and a sliding
tube in between that permits installation in a variety of applications
that use that flange size.  Usually cat failure results from the
extremely high heat generated by the cat and results in disintegration
of the inards of the cat which could, though not too likely, cause a
blockage in the cat.  Be prepared to hacksaw out the bolts holding the
old one.  Guaranteed they are thoroughly fried and rusted.  Be sure to
use liberal amounts of antiseize compound on the new bolts and all
mating surfaces.  Even so, the high heat will tend to fry the bolts.
It's worth turning them and applying new anti-seize compound every so
often when you happen to be under the car.  It will facilitate future
exhaust repairs.  Good luck.  Al
Jim Yanik - 25 May 2008 15:37 GMT
> speedy <noone@home.net> wrote in news:4838d11a$0$4068
> $4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
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> cats not really 'universal'?  If so, does anyone know where to get a non-
> factory one for the Quest?

I don't know how you could have a "universal" cat,as the flanges are
different for different brands,flow rates are different for different
engine sizes,tubing sizes different,cat lengths are different.

A "universal" cat would require you to cut off the pipe close to the old
cat,and use U clamps to secure the new cat on the old tubing.No "bolt-ons".

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willshak - 25 May 2008 15:00 GMT
on 5/24/2008 4:12 PM Me said the following:
> Hi all,
>
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> Thanks!
>  

Check at your local Meineke, Midas, or other muffler store.

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Me - 27 May 2008 15:10 GMT
Meineke is telling me that I have to go to Nissan to do it...  

I asked about him getting a 'universal cat' and fitting it in there & he
said that since it's an ODBII system then I need the factory converter part
or the system will keep throwing CEL's.

Is this true?  I'm still waiting to hear back from Monroe & Midas, but the
Meineke guy said there aren't any aftermarket cats for an 04 Quest.

>>  
>
> Check at your local Meineke, Midas, or other muffler store.
Jim Yanik - 27 May 2008 16:15 GMT
> Meineke is telling me that I have to go to Nissan to do it...  
>
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> the Meineke guy said there aren't any aftermarket cats for an 04
> Quest.

no,all you do is put a O2S spacer in the cat bunghole,then the O2 sensor.
It's a spark plug "defouler" drilled out to pass the O2 sensor.
They are sold on Ebay,or you could make one yourself.

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Jim Yanik - 27 May 2008 17:07 GMT
>> Meineke is telling me that I have to go to Nissan to do it...  
>>
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> It's a spark plug "defouler" drilled out to pass the O2 sensor.
> They are sold on Ebay,or you could make one yourself.

the spacer should be in the DOWNSTREAM O2 sensor position.AFTER the cat.

do a Google search for "quest aftermarket catalytic converter".

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?Ne=28&N=9190&Nr=AND(universal:1)&
V=11384+1684+4294967022&Vh=2004%20Nissan%20Quest

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Me - 27 May 2008 20:50 GMT
Wow - that would be great if I could get it working.  The Nissan car is
like 4 or 5 times as much as the Magnaflow 93500 you pointed me to.

Just to be clear though - the two problems I've been told about trying to
use a 'universal' is 1) the ODBII computer stuff will throw codes since
it isn't the 'stock' cat and 2) it's the right front one which I guess
attaches right up on the engine so there isn't a lot of room to work a
generic one in there.

I'm planning on getting the parts I need and having a local garage I use
install it since I'm not into non bolt on (welding, cutting, etc) stuff
too much.

I want to be able to make sure I have all of the parts they'll need and
also make sure it's going to work instead of just taking it in there &
possibly wasting their time.

For this ebay thing - what words do I search on to find the adapter I'm
going to need.  Also, other than the ebay part and the mangaflow are the
only other parts standard exhaust tubing?

Thanks again!!!

>> no,all you do is put a O2S spacer in the cat bunghole,then the O2
>> sensor. It's a spark plug "defouler" drilled out to pass the O2
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> http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?Ne=28&N=9190&Nr=AND(universal
> :1)& V=11384+1684+4294967022&Vh=2004%20Nissan%20Quest
Jim Yanik - 27 May 2008 23:18 GMT
> Wow - that would be great if I could get it working.  The Nissan car
> is like 4 or 5 times as much as the Magnaflow 93500 you pointed me to.
>
> Just to be clear though - the two problems I've been told about trying
> to use a 'universal' is 1) the ODBII computer stuff will throw codes
> since it isn't the 'stock' cat and

as long as the cat is working,the computer will not know if it's OEM or
atermarket,as long as the downstream O2S is installed after the cat.(to
monitor it)

> 2) it's the right front one which I
> guess attaches right up on the engine so there isn't a lot of room to
> work a generic one in there.

Yeah,that's the real problem.
They put the cat close to the engine to get the cat hot faster,the exhaust
gasses lose less heat over the shorter distance.
I don't know if you would be successful at subbing that cat.Uni-cats are
not really made to fit in there,but for under-body apps.

> I'm planning on getting the parts I need and having a local garage I
> use install it since I'm not into non bolt on (welding, cutting, etc)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> For this ebay thing - what words do I search on to find the adapter
> I'm going to need.  

"O2S spacer" or "oxygen sensor spacer".

> Also, other than the ebay part and the mangaflow
> are the only other parts standard exhaust tubing?

Well,you have to cut off the old cat close to it's body to leave enough
tubing from the flange to mount the new cat. with that Nissan style cat,you
may not have enough room for a uni-cat,and the uni-cat may be too long to
fit.

I think you may have to "bite the bullet" on this one.

> Thanks again!!!
>
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>> l
>> :1)& V=11384+1684+4294967022&Vh=2004%20Nissan%20Quest

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Me - 28 May 2008 05:38 GMT
Looks like there might be some hope after all...  I was checking out this
website that sells Nissan brand parts at a discount:

http://www.worldpartsexpress.com/partlocator/index.cfm?
action=getLocator&siteid=214078&chapter=APF602&appSectionid=7&groupid=
60222&make=25&model=Quest&year=2004&catalogid=1

They have the Nissan brand cat for the 04 quest for $420, but it also
says that it's the same part used on these cars:

95-98 Nissan 200sx
95-06 Altima
95-06 Maxima
95-06 Sentra

That seems a little hard to believe, but I'm going to try and see if
front right cat part for the 04 Altima, Maxima, and Sentra are the same
part # at other places.  If so I can probably find an aftermarket cat for
one of those that should fit on the Quest as well.

Also - does anyone know if the Altima cat problem (the one where the
chemicals get sucked into the engine and destroy it) affects other models
as well?  Wondering about my Quest in particular.  Seems like if it has
the same engine & cat as the problem models from 01 and 02 I might be in
for some real trouble.

Thanks!
Jim Yanik - 28 May 2008 14:25 GMT
> Looks like there might be some hope after all...  I was checking out
> this website that sells Nissan brand parts at a discount:
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>
> Thanks!

the QR25DE 4 cyl. had the problem of ingesting the catalytic crumbs.
that motor left the exhaust valves open a bit on the intake stroke for a
kind of EGR to lower emissions. Under certain throttle conditions,excess
fuel would get in the cat,overheat it,cause the platinum matrix to crumble
and pieces be ingested back into the motor,gouging the cylinder walls,and
causing excessive oil consumption.(meaning new motor or rebuild job)

I don't know if any V-6 motors used the same 'EGR' trick.

you should trry Googling "Nissan VG30",there's a lot of info on that motor
on Wiki.

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