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Car Forum / Nissan / Nissan Cars / July 2008Wow, I don't believe the US patent office awarded a patent to a generalization of electrolyte
To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on." ------- The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html >"Kadaitcha Man" <pummelling.milk.trays@alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote in message >news:rcCdnU6A3NCuPR7VnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@posted.toastnet... >To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned >earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on." >-------The inventor's wording below: >The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional >oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. Normally, if the oxygen sensor senses >more oxygen, the vehicle's computer would determine that the engine is running lean and open up the >fuel injectors to a richer fuel mixture. This is >undesirable and would cause poor fuel economy: >http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term! >> "Kadaitcha Man" <pummelling.milk.trays@alt.pets.ferrets.denuded-slit.net.china> wrote in message >news:rcCdnU6A3NCuPR7VnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@posted.toastnet... >> To someone with bogus invention like this one. There is no specific mention of material used in his >electrolysis. I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify whether or not the invention is >working. For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that Coast to Coast tester mentionned >earlier last week, he was having problem with Oxygen Sensor and "Engine light came on." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The inventor said he used metal for electrodes.......Heehee.... of course you have to use conductive materials in order to carry the current through the water. That's too general term! The point these epsilon minussses miss is that ANY electrolysis electrode metal other than platinized platinum will have an overvoltage associated with it that TOTALLY TRASHES the efficiency at higher currents. Details in any electrochem book. The Handbook of Physics has a good summary table. Platinized platinum requires renewal every few weeks in a costly process. Stainless steel is particularly bad with its double whammy of a high hydrogen overvoltage of iron and its low energy passivated surface. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashec.pdf  SignatureMany thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional > oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. This, of course, is a felony in the US, thanks to the EPA. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf SignatureMany thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com >> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs to be adjusted to take into account the additional >> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com > Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com Wow! yes thanks to EPA but they are still ignoring it, or maybe they don't know. I'm surprised that people allow unreliable device into their cars, maybe they are too excited to see bubbles. I didn't know that they fool around Oxygen sensors until I heard the complaint from the Water4Gas tester on Coast-2-coast. >To someone with bogus invention like this one. >There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis. > I bet the patent office doesn't have an engineer to verify >whether or not the invention is working. No patent needs to actually function as intended (most don't and are worthless [1]). The only function you can't claim is perpetual motion. All it does is stop someone else doing (or fail to do) it EXACTLY the same. >For example like the flaw, it's related to the problem that >Coast to Coast tester mentionned earlier last week, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7191737/fulltext.html Patents can always be got round or over. How many different office staplers are there? Everyone has it's own patent. The problem probably isn't extra oxygen. It's the extra fuel. Air metering systems based on pressure density (use a map sensor) can't tell difference between air and HH0 so fuel gets added to burn the H2 portion of the gas which it can't. [1] like this one - based on ZERO losses in transferring of gas from compression cylinder to power cylinder. http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US6543225.pdf Having found that passage though the valves and transfer chamber requires work and the gas can't flow fast enough, they are now running round like headless chickens to slow that process down. So they came up with this one. http://www.scuderigroup.com/patent/pdf/US7121236.pdf Cam guided big end will hammer itself to bits in a few 100's of revs. That's assuming they can actually link the 2 halves of the crank together well enough to stop the whole lot twisting and jamming on the first stroke. I think the USA DoD has been taken for $1.2million and other private investors will lose their shirts. Whoo $15m. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_August_15/ai_n26958623 A bunch of professional patent lawyers make the HHO scammers look like the low ranking amateurs they are. SignaturePeter Hill Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header Can of worms - what every fisherman wants. Can of worms - what every PC owner gets! >> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs >> to be adjusted to take into account the additional >> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf SignatureMany thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com >>> The operation of the vehicle's oxygen sensor needs >>> to be adjusted to take into account the additional >>> oxygen that is added to the fuel system from the electrolyzer. > > The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony. > http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf > Many thanks, > Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 > Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com > > Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com I think it depends on whether or not you can pass the smog test. If the car computer complains then yes, it won't pass the smog test, and it's a felony. "Don Lancaster" <don@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:48861F28.4040801@tinaja.com... > Peter Hill wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The EPA, of course, has made doing this a felony. > http://www.tinaja.com/glib/trashelc.pdf > Many thanks, > Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 > Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com > > Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com >I think it depends on whether or not you can pass the smog test. If the car computer complains then >yes, it won't pass the smog test, and it's a felony. Actually the computer did complain, accordoing to the tester on coast-2-coast. He said the engine light came on "Check your engine" this is bad....very bad... I can't believe Water4Gas went too far with their commercial. Screen Barret, ye bovine courteous destroyer, thou dost over ween in all, ye denunciated: > Another boy held me up against a fence near my house and kept touching > my groin and i told him to stop but he wouldn't. He held my head down > while i gave him oral sex and then i ran home shaking. > Screen Barret, ye bovine courteous destroyer, thou dost over ween in > all, ye denunciated: > >> Another boy held me up against a fence near my house and kept touching >> my groin and i told him to stop but he wouldn't. He held my head down >> while i gave him oral sex and then i ran home shaking. Good die now Aussi Sonofabitch......Heeheee.......Ain't THAT GRAND? >>To someone with bogus invention like this one. >>There is no specific mention of material used in his electrolysis. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Patents can always be got round or over. How many different office > staplers are there? Everyone has it's own patent. True, many scraps got its own patents. > The problem probably isn't extra oxygen. It's the extra fuel. Air > metering systems based on pressure density (use a map sensor) can't > tell difference between air and HH0 so fuel gets added to burn the H2 > portion of the gas which it can't. How do you know if the theory is true? This is only happening in the mind of the goofy inventor. I bet the water vaper (H2O) is the main problem, the computer is not seeing it, because you put your HHO gas tube behind Oxygen sensor, I saw it in the assembly. So how can you blame on the Oxygen sensor any way? Oh I see, that's the way you tweak the sensor by blindfolding it? so it doesn't know what's going on? If that's true then the computer should not be blamed for additional fuel injection. Where is the logic man? > [1] like this one - based on ZERO losses in transferring of gas from > compression cylinder to power cylinder. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > A bunch of professional patent lawyers make the HHO scammers look like > the low ranking amateurs they are. |
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