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jolly - 24 Jul 2009 11:54 GMT

Where are our hydrogen-powered cars?
http://www.techespot.com/2009/05/hydrogen-powered-cars.html

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Zootal - 24 Jul 2009 16:04 GMT

Gee, I wonder where the hydrogen would come from? Oh, simple, crack
sea-water. And where do we get the energy to crack sea-water? Well, I guess
we could use electricity...you know, burn coal and natural gas. Or we could
crack crude oil, but that uses more oil then just making gasoline out of it.
We could use solar power - but where would we put all of the solar cells?
The greenies would shut down any type of operation to make solar cell farms
large enough to do the job.

Greeny idiots. Hydrogen cars will never happen because there is no efficient
way to produce hydrogen.

> Where are our hydrogen-powered cars?
> http://www.techespot.com/2009/05/hydrogen-powered-cars.html

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me - 28 Jul 2009 19:42 GMT

>Gee, I wonder where the hydrogen would come from? Oh, simple, crack
>sea-water. And where do we get the energy to crack sea-water? Well, I guess
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>Greeny idiots. Hydrogen cars will never happen because there is no efficient
>way to produce hydrogen.

In your passion to hate the "greenies", you fail to note that the
reason we don't have cheap hydrogen power has nothing to do with them
- it has to do with the economics of the situation.

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Zootal - 29 Jul 2009 15:54 GMT

>>Gee, I wonder where the hydrogen would come from? Oh, simple, crack
>>sea-water. And where do we get the energy to crack sea-water? Well, I
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> reason we don't have cheap hydrogen power has nothing to do with them
> - it has to do with the economics of the situation.

I don't hate greenies. I love most of them, and tolerate the rest. And some
of them are absolute idiots.

I didn't say the greenies were the reason we don't have cheap hydrogen gas -
and I stand by my statement that the greenies would prevent the construction
of solar farms big enough to provide enough hydrogen gas to make hydrogen
gas powered vehicles feasible.

The economics of the situation is that there is no cheap or efficient way to
produce hydrogen gas. It takes energy to break the H-O bond in water - lots
of energy. Where is the energy going to come from? It's not like we can dig
it or pump it out of the ground - we don't have vast underground hydrogen
gas reservoirs.

We can, however, build the necessary facilities to crack water to produce
hydrogen gas utilizing existing energy sources - solar, hydro, wave, wind,
etc. But everytime we do something like that, the greenies start screaming
about the purple spotted cockroach and how we are destroying the earth. And
the activist judges listen to them, and bye bye hydrogen producing plants.
*That*, my friend, is the economics of the situation.

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Peter Hill - 29 Jul 2009 17:29 GMT

>>>Gee, I wonder where the hydrogen would come from? Oh, simple, crack
>>>sea-water. And where do we get the energy to crack sea-water? Well, I
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>the activist judges listen to them, and bye bye hydrogen producing plants.
>*That*, my friend, is the economics of the situation.

It's just a huge con. The big oil companies like Shell love the idea
because there will be no spot market or independent competitor
forecourt on other side of the road. They won't be able to afford to
convert to the infrastructure or get the H2.

It would be way more effective to produce a synthetic liquid fuel that
can be transported though the existing fuel distribution system.

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me - 30 Jul 2009 23:27 GMT

>The economics of the situation is that there is no cheap or efficient way to
>produce hydrogen gas. It takes energy to break the H-O bond in water - lots
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>hydrogen gas utilizing existing energy sources - solar, hydro, wave, wind,
>etc.

You are contradicting what you posted above. It doesn't matter how you
generate the power - putting it into "cracking" water is not
economical. You are better off just pumping it into the grid.

> But everytime we do something like that, the greenies start screaming
>about the purple spotted cockroach and how we are destroying the earth.

Quite a few industrial endeavors do destroy the earth and valuable
parts of the eco-system. I know that's a burden on corporate bottom
lines (paying for those nasty pollution controls and only building
where it won't fsck the environment) but it's a fact. Want to visit
some superfund sites with me so that I can show you what happens when
corporations make all the decisions with no regard for the
environmental effects.

>the activist judges listen to them,

An "activist" judge is one who makes up new laws from the bench. I'm
getting the idea that an "activist" judge in your book is any judge
that makes a ruling you don't like.

In this case, the judges are enforcing the laws set by Congress
regarding the protection of species. If you have a complaint, it would
be with the Congress or your state legislature, not the judges
enforcing the laws.

>and bye bye hydrogen producing plants.
>*That*, my friend, is the economics of the situation.

If they are economically feasible, and that includes corporations
acting as responsible citizens and paying for proper siting and proper
pollution control, they will be built. Thank God, and the "greenies"
you love to hate, that corporations no longer have the right to use
and abuse the planet's resources. We own them collectively - they are
not a corporate asset.

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