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XM or Sirius Satellite Radio?

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SgtRich - 26 Jul 2004 06:38 GMT
I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
released.

In researching the 2004 Murano, I see that Nissan offers your choice of XM
or Sirius satellite radio.

As I have no personal experience with satellite radio, I'd just like some
opinions on which is better from people who have either or have listened to
both. I'm not trying to start a war here...I'd just really like some
opinions from those who know.

Thanks in advance!
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<<<SgtRich>>>
Chicago, Illinois, USA

ppointer@nospamindspring.com - 26 Jul 2004 13:26 GMT
> I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> released.
>
> In researching the 2004 Murano, I see that Nissan offers your choice of XM
> or Sirius satellite radio.

I would definitely get one of them.  I cannot compare and contrast (I've
only listened to one of them), but my next car and boat will both have it.
Rich - 26 Jul 2004 14:22 GMT
They're both pretty good.

Sirius has the NFL, NBA, and NHL.  XM has NASCAR.

Sirius' music is more "hit oriented", XM plays a lot of b-sides and music
you've never heard (which isn't necessarily a bad thing!).

Go to www.sirius.com and www.xm.com for a sample of their music channels.
I personally have Sirius, but the ability to get all the NFL games is
important to me so that was the overriding factor.

> I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> released.
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>
> Thanks in advance!
D Ray - 26 Jul 2004 21:36 GMT
> They're both pretty good.
>
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> I personally have Sirius, but the ability to get all the NFL games is
> important to me so that was the overriding factor.

XM has far better music programming IMO.  Certainly, if you're 30 or
older.  If you like the current garbage, you might prefer Sirius.

Sirius DOES NOT HAVE NBA any longer.  Also, XM has added NCAA
conference football and basketball for ACC and PAC10.  Rumor has it
they are considering adding others.

Sirius playlists are much closer to "FM" -- 300-900 songs.  XM's are
much longer in many cases; for example, Deeptracks (my favorite XM
channel) has 4000 songs on their playlist.  You don't get the
repeition from XM you do at Sirius.

If you want NFL games on the radio, Sirius is the place to go.  I have
both, but much prefer XM.
Rich - 27 Jul 2004 13:37 GMT
> XM has far better music programming IMO.  Certainly, if you're 30 or
> older.  If you like the current garbage, you might prefer Sirius.

I'm 30, and I still prefer Sirius' music.  I stay away from "The Pulse" and
"Sirius Hits 1", which do overplay the current junk.  My favorites are "The
Spectrum", "Buzzsaw", "Big 80s", "Hair Nation, "Octane", "Left of Center",
"Classic Rewind", and "Sirius Disorder".

> Sirius DOES NOT HAVE NBA any longer.  Also, XM has added NCAA
> conference football and basketball for ACC and PAC10.  Rumor has it
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> If you want NFL games on the radio, Sirius is the place to go.  I have
> both, but much prefer XM.
Clyde - 27 Jul 2004 15:11 GMT
>>XM has far better music programming IMO.  Certainly, if you're 30 or
>>older.  If you like the current garbage, you might prefer Sirius.
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>>If you want NFL games on the radio, Sirius is the place to go.  I have
>>both, but much prefer XM.

Being 48, I don't like all your favorites, but that's the advantage of a
huge choice. "Big 80s" and "Hair Nation" haven't captured me yet.
"Classic Vinyl" is my favorite. Mine and yours all seem to have
significant depth.

Clyde
SgtRich - 27 Jul 2004 07:04 GMT
>They're both pretty good.
>
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>I personally have Sirius, but the ability to get all the NFL games is
>important to me so that was the overriding factor.

Thanks to all for all of the opinions. I'm going to check further but, right
now, those NFL games sound real good over on Sirius!
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<<<SgtRich>>>
Chicago, Illinois, USA

Meat-->Plow - 27 Jul 2004 14:32 GMT
>>They're both pretty good.
>>
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>Thanks to all for all of the opinions. I'm going to check further but, right
>now, those NFL games sound real good over on Sirius!

I'm sure that XM will have NFL programming on one of the many sports oriented
channels. And XM has terrestrial access. I  get XM in Cincinnati OH inside the I
71 tunnel.
Rich - 28 Jul 2004 13:28 GMT
> I'm sure that XM will have NFL programming on one of the many sports oriented
> channels. And XM has terrestrial access. I  get XM in Cincinnati OH inside the I
> 71 tunnel.

The NFL games themselves are exclusive to Sirius, I'm not sure how long.
Sirius also has channel that is all NFL talk, though there's not much on it
now; it's just team previews.
Meat-->Plow - 28 Jul 2004 15:02 GMT
>> I'm sure that XM will have NFL programming on one of the many sports
>oriented
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>Sirius also has channel that is all NFL talk, though there's not much on it
>now; it's just team previews.

The NFL is a notorious money whore. I'm sure if the revenue was there, they
would sign broadacst rights to XM also.
D Ray - 29 Jul 2004 01:21 GMT
> >They're both pretty good.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks to all for all of the opinions. I'm going to check further but, right
> now, those NFL games sound real good over on Sirius!

Sirius has dropped NBA.  XM has picked up some NCAA conferences, ACC
and PAC-10.  I've heard they're negotiating for other biggies.  NCAA
includes basketball.
D Ray - 29 Jul 2004 01:22 GMT
> Thanks to all for all of the opinions. I'm going to check further but, right
> now, those NFL games sound real good over on Sirius!

I'm curious.  Do you do a lot of driving on Sunday afternoon?  I'm
skeptical about how many people are going to leave their TV sets to
get NFL on the radio (you won't be able to listen to the game on
Sirius while you watch it on TV because the Sirius signal will be
delayed).
SgtRich - 29 Jul 2004 08:33 GMT
>> Thanks to all for all of the opinions. I'm going to check further but, right
>> now, those NFL games sound real good over on Sirius!
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>Sirius while you watch it on TV because the Sirius signal will be
>delayed).

Good point but there is the advantage of receiving games that aren't
televised, right? There are a lot of games that I'd really like to be able
to listen to but that option isn't available right now.
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<<<SgtRich>>>
Chicago, Illinois, USA

D Ray - 30 Jul 2004 03:28 GMT
> >I'm curious.  Do you do a lot of driving on Sunday afternoon?  I'm
> >skeptical about how many people are going to leave their TV sets to
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> televised, right? There are a lot of games that I'd really like to be able
> to listen to but that option isn't available right now.

I've kind of been of the opinion that most people who really want
those games badly are going to get the NFL Sunday Ticket so they can
watch them rather than listen to them.  But I'm no football fan, so I
could be wrong.

I really think the NFL deal is going to be a bust for Sirius, not
because people don't like it but because they paid so damned much
money for them -- $300 million over 7 years.  Since the games run in
real time, if you're watching games on TV you're not going to be
getting the NFL on Sirius.

I think XM made a much more sensible play in getting the NCAA games
(well, ACC and PAC10, anyway).  Cheaper, and since these games are
harder to catch on TV for a lot of the people who are interested in
them, I think the radio will be good alternative.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
SgtRich - 30 Jul 2004 08:52 GMT
>I've kind of been of the opinion that most people who really want
>those games badly are going to get the NFL Sunday Ticket so they can
>watch them rather than listen to them.  But I'm no football fan, so I
>could be wrong.

If I had a dish, that would be true but I have digital cable TV, so the NFL
Sunday Ticket isn't an option for me, unfortunately.
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<<<SgtRich>>>
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Meat-->Plow - 30 Jul 2004 16:52 GMT
>>I've kind of been of the opinion that most people who really want
>>those games badly are going to get the NFL Sunday Ticket so they can
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>If I had a dish, that would be true but I have digital cable TV, so the NFL
>Sunday Ticket isn't an option for me, unfortunately.

Disable the cable.
JimV - 26 Jul 2004 14:51 GMT
> I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> released.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance!

I've had both. Sirius has better programming. Although I suspect a lot
of XM fans will disagree with me.
Clyde - 26 Jul 2004 14:59 GMT
> I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> released.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance!

I have Sirius in my '03 Sentra Spec V. OK, I added it after buying the
car as it's not an option in the Sentra.

I liked the channel options better on Sirius, but it was a slight
advantage. Sirius has NPR, but they don't plan ME or ATC. I'm not that
big of a football fan, but Sirius will have NFL games on this fall. XM
has NASCAR, but that seems silly on radio.

The big different is the way the satellite fly. XM has a geostationary
satellite that is always there. However, that tends to leave dead spots
that require on-ground boosters to cover.

Sirius uses 3 satellites that travel around the Earth. That usually
leaves 2 of them in range. They don't seem to need as many boosters. The
people I have talked with who use Sirius who used to use XM as that
Sirius has MUCH better reception and WAY fewer cutouts.

My experience shows very few cutouts with Sirius. Going slow under
underpasses will cut out for a few seconds. At highway speeds it isn't
an issue. I have found some small roads in deep forests that will cut
out. It does take a pretty heavy tree cover to do it though. I haven't
tried it down in Chicago's Loop yet; that's where boosters come in to
play most.

I would highly recommend Sirius, but really can't compare with XM.

Clyde
D Ray - 31 Jul 2004 04:11 GMT
> > I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> > released.
> >
> > In researching the 2004 Murano, I see that Nissan offers your choice of XM
> > or Sirius satellite radio.

I have XM in my FX-35.  It is fantastic.  The sound quality is far
better than in the Pathfinder I had before (which was a wired
modulator install).

I'd go for the dealer install.  XM is a far superior service IMO (I
have both).
D Ray - 31 Jul 2004 04:21 GMT
> The big different is the way the satellite fly. XM has a geostationary
> satellite that is always there. However, that tends to leave dead spots
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> tried it down in Chicago's Loop yet; that's where boosters come in to
> play most.

This is really not the "big" difference.  Both services have dead
spots, both have reasonably good reception where ever you are.  In
general, the antenna you're using is more important than anything
else.  XM has 4x as many ground repeaters.  Sirius appears to have
more problems with units in homes, as their satellites are constantly
moving with respect to any location on the ground, whereas XM's
aren't.  Both of XM's satellites cover the entire United States,
meaning if you can't get one you can usually get the other.  Either
service will cutout if you're under an overpass for more than a few
seconds, UNLESS there is a nearby terrestrial repeater (XM has 800,
Sirius has 200).

Basically, reception is about the same, just with different nuances.
More people complain of dropouts with Sirius than with XM (I follow
this stuff closely).  But either is far better than FM.

The "big" difference is in the music.  XM's playlists are huge, Sirius
playlists are pretty much like FM.  On XM you'll hear stuff you would
NEVER hear on Sirius or FM.  But again, either is better than FM, and
if I couldn't get XM I would definitely have Sirius.

The only reason I would get Sirius is if I thought I was going to be
on the road on Sundays and wanted to listen to NFL games.  And XM has
been really beefing up its content lately, with the addition of NCAA
games and starting their own public radio channel.  Because XM has 4x
as many installations as Sirius, XM is financially able to do a lot
more for the listeners than is Sirius.
SgtRich - 31 Jul 2004 11:08 GMT
>> Sirius uses 3 satellites that travel around the Earth. That usually
>> leaves 2 of them in range. They don't seem to need as many boosters. The
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>as many installations as Sirius, XM is financially able to do a lot
>more for the listeners than is Sirius.

Good info to know. Again, thanks to all for feedback.
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<<<SgtRich>>>
Chicago, Illinois, USA

Meat-->Plow - 26 Jul 2004 16:38 GMT
>I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
>released.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Thanks in advance!

XM
Dan J.S. - 26 Jul 2004 20:36 GMT
> I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> released.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance!

Both are similar. XM sends signal at a tiny bit higher bit rate....
tkozal@mindspring.com - 28 Jul 2004 17:57 GMT
> I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> released.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance!

I went with Sirius and I have no regrets. It had some news channels XM
did not have, plus I have learned that XM is owned by one of the most
evil entities on the planet: Clear Channel. Sirius is public under the
ticker SIRI.

I have only lost the signal going into tunnels or under long
overpasses, or in the mountains where I am in a valley that is
blocking the signal.
Lester Mosley - 29 Jul 2004 09:16 GMT
> > I'm planning on buying a 2005 Nissan Murano soon after the 2005 model is
> > released.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> overpasses, or in the mountains where I am in a valley that is
> blocking the signal.

Clear channel does not OWN XM. they at one time had a portion of the
stock.(Traded as XMSR) They now own less than a 2-5% if I remember
right.

XM uses the terrestial boosters to stop the "cut outs" from bridges
and easier recption from indoors. But these are only in major cities.

I've only had 1 cut out and that is though a tunnel and there are no
teerestial boosters in my area.
D Ray - 31 Jul 2004 04:26 GMT
> I went with Sirius and I have no regrets. It had some news channels XM
> did not have, plus I have learned that XM is owned by one of the most
> evil entities on the planet: Clear Channel. Sirius is public under the
> ticker SIRI.

This is not true.  Clear Channel owned a small number of shares (8
million) in XM, but has hedged that interest and has been removed from
the Board.  Stern had incorrectly stated this on his show, but has
subsequently been straightened out about it:

http://www.pokerroundup.com/sternad4.mp3
 
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