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John Delainey - 22 Mar 2004 06:22 GMT
Couple of 405 questions.....

This is a Canadian model of the 405, they call it the 405S.
It is fully loaded model, air, power windows, cruise, power sunroof, rear
spoiler, etc.
It has a 1.9l 8 valve engine.

The Haynes manual says the engine type is stamped in the block, I can't find
it, anyone know where it is ?

Dash has a gauge in the right hand bottom corner, says maxi and mini on it,
gauge does not seem to work, sits on mini all the time.  What is this gauge
for, and how does it work ?

The speedo gauge is making a ticking noise, and kind of bobs up and down
when driving, any ideas ?

Thanks
John
Ron - 22 Mar 2004 14:28 GMT
Hi ,
    Not sure where the engine type is stamped . From what I can remember
when I had my 405 , the guage acts as an oil level check when you turn the
ignition on and an oil temperature gauge when the engine is running , I
could be wrong though it was a while ago.

> Couple of 405 questions.....
>
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> Thanks
> John
R.N. Robinson - 22 Mar 2004 18:12 GMT
> Hi ,
>      Not sure where the engine type is stamped . From what I can remember
> when I had my 405 , the guage acts as an oil level check when you turn the
> ignition on and an oil temperature gauge when the engine is running , I
> could be wrong though it was a while ago.

It only works as a temperature gauge on some models.   It always works (or
should do) as an oil level indicator just after you have turned the ignition
on and it probably has a little picture of a dipstick dripping oil on it.
Only believe it on level ground and even then check that it agrees with the
actual oil level on the dipstick every now and then.

Ron Robinson
G.T - 22 Mar 2004 17:00 GMT
Hello,

> This is a Canadian model of the 405, they call it the 405S.
Nice. I love US/Canada Pug support. Pug left the Northern America market in
'91, most of us are from Europe, and Pug hams - you'll see we are still
there for support*.

> It is fully loaded model, air, power windows, cruise, power sunroof, rear
> spoiler, etc.
Seems to match a French 405 SRi with options.

> It has a 1.9l 8 valve engine.
With a Bosch Jetronic (L-Jetronic indeed) fuel injection, I suppose.

> The Haynes manual says the engine type is stamped in the block, I can't find
> it, anyone know where it is ?
It should be in the cylinder block, right hand when you face the engine. It
might be a letter-digit-letter format, something like D6A. It should begin
with D6, as it's a 1.9l, but they could have used another code for NA cars.
Engine name is XU9 something (depending on fuel supply, but a 1.9i 8v is a
XU9J2xxx), where xxx may describe a low pollution / catalyzed engine.

> Dash has a gauge in the right hand bottom corner, says maxi and mini on it,
> gauge does not seem to work, sits on mini all the time.  What is this gauge
> for, and how does it work ?
Oil level. Works as following : engine off, put ignition on, wait a second
or two, the meter should move up, between min & max - shows oil level
indeed. Start engine, it comes back to min and doesn't move. I don't really
like it, I prefer the good, old disptick. Yeah, call me "old school" if you
want to :-)

I've sometimes heard of this meter showing oil pressure when running, but
I've never seen it on a french car, in fact. It could be an export-specific
feature.

> The speedo gauge is making a ticking noise, and kind of bobs up and down
> when driving, any ideas ?
No clue for the ticking noise, the wobbling speedo is a common fault on
these models, it has been discussed many times. It usually wobbles +5/-5KPH.
Imagine you run at 80KPH, the speedo will wobble between 75 and 85KPH. I may
explain the problem and demonstrate it if you really wanna know.

* I said "for support", well... I'm not a mechanic at all, so most of things
coming from me are just very theoric support :-)

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
Chris B - 23 Mar 2004 01:36 GMT
> > The Haynes manual says the engine type is stamped in the block, I can't
> find
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> Engine name is XU9 something (depending on fuel supply, but a 1.9i 8v is a
> XU9J2xxx), where xxx may describe a low pollution / catalyzed engine.

The XU engines I've seen have a black tag with the engine code written on
it, located on the main block on flat panel - left hand side when facing the
engine - just where the cylinder head joins to the engine.
D6A sounds familiar for the XU9J2.

Chris.
G.T - 23 Mar 2004 16:03 GMT
Hi,

> it, located on the main block on flat panel - left hand side when facing the
> engine - just where the cylinder head joins to the engine.
Or left hand, I'm too lazy to look it on my parent's 405. Anyway I found it
when I looked for it. On both my 205 and my brother's 205, it's on the right
hand, when facing the engine.

> D6A sounds familiar for the XU9J2.
It is, matches a XU9J2 as well, but perhaps US cars had different engines, I
think of catalyzer...
I'm pretty sure the code begins by D6, though.

Regarss,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
Chris B - 23 Mar 2004 19:25 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> when I looked for it. On both my 205 and my brother's 205, it's on the right
> hand, when facing the engine.

Interesting, I thought the serial number was in the same place on all XU
cars - there's not another number stamped somewhere is there?

> > D6A sounds familiar for the XU9J2.
> It is, matches a XU9J2 as well, but perhaps US cars had different engines, I
> think of catalyzer...
> I'm pretty sure the code begins by D6, though.

I agree. I used to have the list from the Haynes manual with all the engine
codes, but alas, I cannot find it now.

Chris.
G.T - 25 Mar 2004 13:44 GMT
Hello,

> Interesting, I thought the serial number was in the same place on all XU
> cars - there's not another number stamped somewhere is there?
On both 205D & DTurbo I see here, there's the engine number etched on a
plate in the middle of the cylinder block. I haven't tried to find it on the
405, neither did I with the 206 (where everything is hidden behind the
plastic cover).

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
Carl Gibbs - 23 Mar 2004 20:05 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> Imagine you run at 80KPH, the speedo will wobble between 75 and 85KPH. I may
> explain the problem and demonstrate it if you really wanna know.

My current 205 makes the ticking noise.  On mine the trip meter (the bottom
digits) get a bit  stuck on xx9.9 and ticks as it rolls over to xx0.0.  A
few times it has also made the dipped beam warning light flash on and off in
time to the ticks - one's mechanical, the other electrical so God knows how
that happens.  Another peugeot 'quirk' that I've discovered!!!
G.T - 23 Mar 2004 21:09 GMT
Hi Carl,

> My current 205 makes the ticking noise.  On mine the trip meter (the bottom
> digits) get a bit  stuck on xx9.9 and ticks as it rolls over to xx0.0.  A
Ooops, forgot that. It sometimes happens to me when the trip doesn't want to
be resetted. I run some miles and try again, usually does the trick.

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
Juhan Palm - 24 Mar 2004 23:16 GMT
Hi,

> Dash has a gauge in the right hand bottom corner, says maxi and mini on it,
> gauge does not seem to work, sits on mini all the time.  What is this gauge
> for, and how does it work ?

Oil level indicator, works like GT says - shows the oil
level when ignition is on "electrical power on".  Saved me
lots of hood-opening when I had a 405... ;-)

> The speedo gauge is making a ticking noise, and kind of bobs up and down
> when driving, any ideas ?

On my 405, I had the speedo sensor cable replaced 3 times in 5 years
due to "wobbling" and ticking noise... But it only "wobbled" at speeds
below 60-70 km/h so I got used to it...  Never failed MOT because of
this phenomenon, was lucky enough to have it working ok enough then,
it was an intermittent problem depending on the mood of the car... ;-)

/Juhan
John Delainey - 25 Mar 2004 05:58 GMT
Thanks for the help.  Car seems to have the same specs as the 1.9 GTXi, all
4 electric windows, power sun roof, power mirrors, cruise control, central
locking, rear spoiler, sport seats, front fog lights, 8 spoke alloy wheels,
and air conditioning, I don't think it has heated door mirrors, I don't see
a switch to turn them on.  Anyone know what PAS stands for, I don't think I
have that either, I believe they did not start adding that until 1990.

The car is currently parked 5 hours from my house, at my brothers, we need
to pull the CV shaft out and have it rebuilt.  Very hard to find parts for
this car in Canada, or at least in Western Canada.  I have found one parts
car in Edmonton Alberta(as far as I know, the only one in Alberta), and they
wanted $300 Canadian for the used Half Shaft, found a rebuilder that will
rebuild it for $120 Canadian, which is my brothers cost(owns a repair shop),
and told me I have to fix the car myself, he hates working on strange cars,
some of his suppliers actually laughed when he asked about peugeot parts.

The trip meter and the odometer have stop completely, so the ticking must be
a stripped gear, I have seen some cheap dashes sell on ebay, but they are
all in the UK.  I guess I will pull it apart and see if I can fix it.
Speedo still tells the speed, and still bounces with each tick.

I noticed that the gauge on the left hand side would jump up when I turn the
ignition on, now I know what it is for.  Will likely come in handy until I
have the Valve seals replaced, the car uses about a litre for every 1000km.
Peugeot repair guys say it just needs the valve seals replaced, I hope so.

I love this car, handles real well, and my last couple of cars have been
automatics, it is great to have a standard again.  Found a set of 15"
Peugeot rims to but on it, all my centre caps are missing, and the 15" rims
are new factory rims with out center caps (look completely different), not
sure what car they are off of, I hope they fit, they are a inch wider as
well, 6.5 instead of the stock 5.5.  Probably install some 215/50 15"
rubber(speedo should still be right), or 225/50(speedo would be out about
+1.5km in 100km).

As far as the engine goes, when I get back to the car next week I will check
that plate, I think I saw it, but didn't know what I was looking for.  I
believe that it is a goofy setup they designed specifically to screw with us
Canadians.  I think that it is the XU9J2 with a Bosch Motronic M1.3
Multi-point injection system.

There is not much in the haynes manual about the Motronic M1.3 system, if
anyone has any info, I would love to here from you.

If anyone needs info from the haynes manual, it covers the 405, 88-96 (E-N
registration) petrol vehicles, let me know, I can email mail you some
scanned pages.

John

> Hi,
>
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>
> /Juhan
G.T - 25 Mar 2004 13:56 GMT
Hello,

> a switch to turn them on.  Anyone know what PAS stands for, I don't think I
> have that either, I believe they did not start adding that until 1990.
Power steering, sure you have it, it was standard on many 405 (perhaps not
all, though-perhaps GLs didn't have it) since the beginning (87-88).

> have the Valve seals replaced, the car uses about a litre for every 1000km.
Just the limit. Car manufacturer often give up to 1l/1000km.

> Peugeot repair guys say it just needs the valve seals replaced, I hope so.
I bet it's true, as valve seals are a common weakness on these engines
(although my mum's '88 405 SRi still doesn't need that).

> Canadians.  I think that it is the XU9J2 with a Bosch Motronic M1.3
> Multi-point injection system.
Oh, oh, the Motronic. Perhaps as standard with NA 405s, which are likely
catalyzed. The engine code is wrong or incorrect in this case, or just
different for US/Can, as here, in Europe, a XU9J2 matches the 1.9 8v XU
*but* with a Bosch L-Jetronic multipoint injection. All 1.9s had MPI anyway.

> There is not much in the haynes manual about the Motronic M1.3 system, if
> anyone has any info, I would love to here from you.
Well this is a fully digital, dual-stage electronic injection system, which
manages both ignition & injection (that's the reason why I wrote
dual-stage), not sure for Motronic generation, here we had Motronics fit to
the 405Mi16 as well, but I guess I remember it was the M3.1.
More info about Motronic ECUs applied to 405s might be found into the Haynes
manual for post-93 405s, or Mk1 405Mi16.
Else, you could try to drop a few lines to Peugeot motors of America,
customerservice@peugeotusa.net. I had this mail address, and all their
coordinates by Peugeot France some years ago, not sure it is valid anymore
(but Peugeot Motors of America appears on the Group's diagram, so it should
exist even now).

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
RichardT - 26 Mar 2004 19:27 GMT
Well...
1 L for 1000 Km dont seams normal... 1L /10,000 km is more normal IMHO.
Br // Richard

> Hello,
>
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> g.t6@worldonline.fr
> 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
G.T - 27 Mar 2004 16:54 GMT
Hello,

> 1 L for 1000 Km dont seams normal... 1L /10,000 km is more normal IMHO.
It is the *max* value, according to standards. Indeed, Pug allows up to
1L/1000km for XU engines, and only .5L/1000km for XUDs.

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st
R.N. Robinson - 25 Mar 2004 17:22 GMT
> Thanks for the help.  Car seems to have the same specs as the 1.9 GTXi, all
> 4 electric windows, power sun roof, power mirrors, cruise control, central
> locking, rear spoiler, sport seats, front fog lights, 8 spoke alloy wheels,
> and air conditioning, I don't think it has heated door mirrors, I don't see
> a switch to turn them on.

The mirror heaters usually work on the same circuit as the rear window
heater so they don't have a separate switch.

Ron Robinson
canada405 - 13 Oct 2005 04:38 GMT
how is your 405?   I have the identical 91405 S here in Victoria , B.C.
Canada

I'm trying to order some parts from neat autos   any ideas what actual model
we have?

it doesn't have A.B.S. does it?

thanks
Michael

>Couple of 405 questions.....
>
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>Thanks
>John
 
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