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a7mick - 12 Feb 2005 14:44 GMT

Could anyone tell me which other vehicles (Peugeot,Citroen,Renault etc)
were fitted with the same injector pump as the 1769 diesel in my 205
turbo. I presume the early 405 1800 engine is the same - any others?

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G.T - 13 Feb 2005 11:33 GMT

Hi,

> were fitted with the same injector pump as the 1769 diesel in my 205
> turbo. I presume the early 405 1800 engine is the same - any others?
> Could anyone tell me which other vehicles (Peugeot,Citroen,Renault etc)

To tell the truth, early 405s were fit with an intercooler, which I assume,
involves a different setup. If you wanna put a second hand 405 pump to your
205TD I think you'd have to made it set up by a Diesel specialist (which,
all in all would cost you less than a brand new complete pump).
Oh, other vehicles fit with XUD7T engines... The only ones I can think of is
early BX17 TD and 309TD. With intercooler, brings to 405s, late BX17TD I
think. Perhaps a early 1.9TD pump would fit (with a little trimming) : see
post-93 Pug 405s TD (GRDT, SRDT, Style TD...), BX TD, Xantia 1.9TD, 306TD,
Xsara TD, and Suzuki Santana (without intercooler for the Santana).
You may try at Rover's too (218TD IIRC had 1.7TD engines, with or without
I/C ? No clue).

HTH,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

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brian - 15 Feb 2005 15:01 GMT

> Hi,
>
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>
> The one thing you have to keep is the same manufacturer. Bosch and Lucas

run

> at different injection pressures, so if you change the pump, you would

also

> have to change the injectors.

That is not rubbish in the principle, but first of all, it seems you can
just go away with a different pressure setting (the difference between Bosch
and Lucas (formerly Roto-Diesel) being of about 10 bars), and last but not
least, AFAIK all XUD turbo engines only have Roto (Lucas, now Delphi)
injection systems.

Regards,
G.T
My 1.9TD 405 and 306TD certainly have the Bosch pump. I know that an earlier
non turbo 205, and 405 had the Lucas one though.
The difference in perssure would be enough to affect the running if nothing
were done to correct it.

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G.T - 15 Feb 2005 17:41 GMT

Hi,

> My 1.9TD 405 and 306TD certainly have the Bosch pump. I know that an earlier

It would worth a look !

> non turbo 205, and 405 had the Lucas one though.

For non turbo 205s (and possibly 405s), both pumps are possible.

> The difference in perssure would be enough to affect the running if nothing
> were done to correct it.

Of course, but it doesn't seem to require a new set of injectors - that was
my point.

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

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brian - 17 Feb 2005 13:18 GMT

> Hi,
>
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> Of course, but it doesn't seem to require a new set of injectors - that was
> my point.

You can always add or remove shims under the springs in the injectors to
adjust the opening pressure. However, this does require some means of
measuring the pressure.
If otherwise you used Bosch injectors on a Lucas pump, then the injection
timing would be late, and the engine would get less fuel, which would reduce
the top speed.
In the opposite situation, the injection timing would be advanced and you
would also have a tendancy for overfuelling.
All of these can, of course, be adjusted, assuming you know what you are
doing.

Brian.

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G.T - 17 Feb 2005 16:10 GMT

Hi,

> You can always add or remove shims under the springs in the injectors to
> adjust the opening pressure. However, this does require some means of
> measuring the pressure.

Yup. Better thing to do is letting the injectors to a Diesel specialist and
tell him 'set to 135b' for example, once you explained for what pump it is.
Far cheaper than a set of injectors - and that was my point.

Regards,
G.T
g.t6@worldonline.fr
205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st

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