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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / April 2005Peugeot 405 T16 - tunning?
Hello! Please, can anyone direct me where can I find out what modifications I can do on 405 t16? I'm mainly interested in engine upgrades. money is not a question. Does enyone know what things can I upgrade? Turpocharger, ECU, intercooler... Thanx -- ======================= 'Cause I'm hella-cool, that's why! > Hello! > > Please, can anyone direct me where can I find out what modifications > I can do on 405 t16? Ooooh, have you got one ? They're NICE cars ! Where in the world are you ? > I'm mainly interested in engine upgrades. money is not a question. > > Does enyone know what things can I upgrade? > Turpocharger, ECU, intercooler... The Turbo is already a fancy variable-geometry unit - changing it for a bigger one is simply going to introduce more lag. As with any Turbo car, you can raise the power level by raising the boost level - but you need to do your research into what's safe. Your best plan is to lower your intake temps - the cooler the intake, the denser the air, so the more air you can get into the engine. You want a huge front-mounted intercooler in the front bumper, etc. http://www.paceproducts.co.uk/ or http://www.allardturbosport.co.uk/ will make you up a custom intercooler to fit. I'm pretty sure the T16 uses standard 405 brakes (double check this !) - so they're not really upto the job. The larger discs and calipers from the 306 GTI-6 are a straight swap. > Where in the world are you ? I'm from Zagreb, Croatia > > I'm mainly interested in engine upgrades. money is not a question. > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > they're not really upto the job. The larger discs and calipers from the 306 > GTI-6 are a straight swap. So, You think I should just mount a bigger intercooler and change brakes, and not to replace turbo? Hi, > I'm from Zagreb, Croatia I'm surprised they sold T16s in Croatia. Bought in Croatia or imported from another country ? Also I'm surprised you want to boost it up, 'cause up to 220HP under the right foot would be far enough for most drivers - 250KPH max speed, pretty well reached, IIRC ! Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the right foot would be far enough for most drivers - 250KPH max > speed, pretty well reached, IIRC ! Long time no see, BTW ! Remember me from a few years back ? I've been away in Rover Turbo land, but I'm back with a 406 Coupe V6 :) Hi, > Long time no see, BTW ! True ! > Remember me from a few years back ? I've been away in Rover Turbo land, but Eeeek ! A friend of mine has a 620Si (2.2 petrol), posh looking, but would not replace a good Pug ! > I'm back with a 406 Coupe V6 :) That *is* a nice car. I guess I'd get one if I had more money (quite cheap, ?6500 for a '99 2.2 petrol for example). What have you done with your Mk2 405 GTX ? Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cheap, ?6500 for a '99 2.2 petrol for example). What have you done > with your Mk2 405 GTX ? I part-exchanged it for the Rover 620 TI (2.0 16v Turbo). And then in January this year, I part-exchanged the Rover for my 2001 Coupe V6 SE - pics up at http://www.nomgle.com/406coupe if you're interested :) Hi, > > cheap, ?6500 for a '99 2.2 petrol for example). What have you done > > with your Mk2 405 GTX ? > I part-exchanged it for the Rover 620 TI (2.0 16v Turbo). Mmmm, sure it's not a Rover unit, who supplied the engine ? > And then in January this year, I part-exchanged the Rover for my 2001 Coupe > V6 SE - pics up at http://www.nomgle.com/406coupe if you're interested :) Come on, we all know how a 406 Coup? is :-) Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mmmm, sure it's not a Rover unit, who supplied the engine ? Yeah, it was a Rover engine. The Rover 600 is actually a Honda Accord underneath, and all the petrol-engined models use Honda engines, except the Turbo which uses Rover's T16 Turbo engine. Hi, > > Mmmm, sure it's not a Rover unit, who supplied the engine ? > Yeah, it was a Rover engine. The Rover 600 is actually a Honda Accord > underneath, and all the petrol-engined models use Honda engines, except the > Turbo which uses Rover's T16 Turbo engine. Indeed ? I thought they stopped doing engines themselves for ages ! And did it worth its 16v coupled to a turbocharger ? i.e, power ? Max speed ? Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And did it worth its 16v coupled to a turbocharger ? i.e, power ? Max > speed ? 200bhp, 240Nm, 0-60 in 7s, 145mph are the standard figures. Mine was tweaked slightly from about 10psi to about 12psi though, so it'll have been slightly quicker. It was great :) The new Pug offers similar performance though - it does weigh a bit more (1400Kg+ whereas the Rover was about 1300Kg) but I've got 210bhp and 285Nm as standard now :) Hi, > 200bhp, 240Nm, 0-60 in 7s, 145mph are the standard figures. Mmmmm, that sounds good :-) A bit slower than a T16 (160MPH max), but not that bad ! > Mine was tweaked slightly from about 10psi to about 12psi though, so it'll > have been slightly quicker. Sure, and certainly a far better acceleration figure. > It was great :) Sure. Errr, and what about avg MPG when trashed ? :-) Oh, OK that's not a car you buy for economy, sure it was something like 15-20L for 60 miles. > The new Pug offers similar performance though - it does weigh a bit more > (1400Kg+ whereas the Rover was about 1300Kg) but I've got 210bhp and 285Nm > as standard now :) Yeah. But the V6 is given for 210HP as standard, should give 207 BHP, considering that a HP is 736W when a BHP is 746W. OK, just looking for the little thing here, I don't wanna piss you off with all these figures :-) Cheers, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > >> 200bhp, 240Nm, 0-60 in 7s, 145mph are the standard figures. > Mmmmm, that sounds good :-) > A bit slower than a T16 (160MPH max), but not that bad ! T16 isn't gonna get close to 160mph with a mere 220bhp ! It would need a spectacularly low CD figure, and it would need to lose the 4x4 (huge transmission loss). It won't hit 150mph real-speed in real-life. Take a look for yourself - even very sleek FWD cars (Calibra Turbo, Astra Coupe Turbo, 406 Coupe) etc. would struggle to exceed 150mph with 220bhp. >> It was great :) > > Sure. Errr, and what about avg MPG when trashed ? :-) Oh, OK that's > not a car you buy for economy, sure it was something like 15-20L for > 60 miles. I have no idea. I got about 250miles from a tank of fuel. I *think* it was a standard 50l tank. I get very similar economy from the 3.0 Coupe now - it's a 70l tank (!!!) and I get around 350 miles from it. >> The new Pug offers similar performance though - it does weigh a bit >> more (1400Kg+ whereas the Rover was about 1300Kg) but I've got [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for the little thing here, I don't wanna piss you off with all these > figures :-) :) >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > :) Load'O'shite - The volvo T5 Has a mere 250hp on it's 20Valve hybrid turbo engine and that can do 155mph. Andy Hi, > Load'O'shite - The volvo T5 Has a mere 250hp on it's 20Valve hybrid turbo > engine and that can do 155mph. It doesn't prove anything I'd say. The T5 is a 5 cyl 20v turbo (2.3 ?) , that's at least as powerful than a V6 24v 3L, thanks to the turbo and the 20 valves. BTW the Pug / Renault V6 can be tweaked up to 250HP at least, as the Clio V6 offers that. I guess than ToCA 406s V6 Coup? are given for 300HP, as old 406 sedan used before (4 cyl 2.0T 20v) were able of these 300HP (I'm pretty sure it's the same unit that was successfully used on the 206WRC, also a 4-cyl 20v T). Oh, BTW, both 406s Touring and 206 WRC engines (perhaps 307 WRC) were good-old XUs (what we could hear and regonize quite easily). When I said these engines were wonderful, I guess I was damn right :-) Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st >>> Hi, >>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Load'O'shite - The volvo T5 Has a mere 250hp on it's 20Valve hybrid > turbo engine and that can do 155mph. Er, what ? You've just completely agreed with what I said ! Hence, why do you start your post with "Load'O'shite" ?!?!?!? Are you insane ? Hi, > T16 isn't gonna get close to 160mph with a mere 220bhp ! It would need a > spectacularly low CD figure, and it would need to lose the 4x4 (huge > transmission loss). It won't hit 150mph real-speed in real-life. I must say I'm in doubt here. I saw once on telly a T16 used as a police car here in France (car used to chase thugs using stolen BMWs for example - not motorway car, they don't have them anymore), I only saw from outside it was a "sporty" 405, but from inside I was sure it was a T16, considering how it was accelerating far over the speedometer limit (which should be around 225KPH I guess, as others 405s), and still revving strongly. And what a damn wonderful noise ! Unfortunately I ain't got any specs for it yet, but I'd plan on a heavy 230KPH real speed, considering that a Mi16 was able of 210/215KPH (with only FWD, *but* only 160HP as well). I'll try to find specs for that. > Take a look for yourself - even very sleek FWD cars (Calibra Turbo, Astra > Coupe Turbo, 406 Coupe) etc. would struggle to exceed 150mph with 220bhp. Depends on the SCx, and gearbox / drivetrain values in addition of the engine. That's true however, IIRC the 406 Coup? V6 was given for 231KPH (143MPH). > I get very similar economy from the 3.0 Coupe now - it's a 70l tank (!!!) > and I get around 350 miles from it. Which gives 12l/100km. That's what I would expect of such a car, but perhaps you just drive a bit too fast with it ? :-) Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > speedometer limit (which should be around 225KPH I guess, as others > 405s), and still revving strongly. And what a damn wonderful noise ! If it was a Police vehicle, it could perhaps have been tweaked ? Or perhaps the speedo was way out - they do tend to overread, and the faster you go, the more they overread by. > Unfortunately I ain't got any specs for it yet, but I'd plan on a > heavy 230KPH real speed, considering that a Mi16 was able of > 210/215KPH (with only FWD, *but* only 160HP as well). > I'll try to find specs for that. Yeah, that sounds reasonable - that'd be 242mph. >> Take a look for yourself - even very sleek FWD cars (Calibra Turbo, >> Astra Coupe Turbo, 406 Coupe) etc. would struggle to exceed 150mph >> with 220bhp. > Depends on the SCx, and gearbox / drivetrain values in addition of the > engine. Agreed, however modern cars usually have broadly similar gearing. They won't usually be far off the peak-power-figure at top-speed. Except the odd wierdo car like the Lotus Carlton/Omega with crazy long top-gear :) >> I get very similar economy from the 3.0 Coupe now - it's a 70l tank >> (!!!) and I get around 350 miles from it. > > Which gives 12l/100km. That's what I would expect of such a car, but > perhaps you just drive a bit too fast with it ? :-) Probably :) There's no point paying the running costs of a powerful car, if you're not gonna use it :) >> Where in the world are you ? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > So, You think I should just mount a bigger intercooler and change > brakes, and not to replace turbo? Read the rest of the thread - it turns out that you've already got the 306 GTi-6 brakes, so there's no need to upgrade them. I wouldn't bother replacing the blower - any gains you see, will be at the expense of lag. Go the front-mounted-intercooler route. >> Hello! >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > so they're not really upto the job. The larger discs and calipers from the > 306 GTI-6 are a straight swap. If you look on www.tuning.co.uk (i think) at the brake fitments, the Turbo 405 seems to have a fitment of its own of slightly bigger. Of course, that might be bollocks :)  SignatureDan Hi, > If you look on www.tuning.co.uk (i think) at the brake fitments, the Turbo > 405 seems to have a fitment of its own of slightly bigger. Of course, that > might be bollocks :) It has "special" discs, diameter : 283mm, thickness 22mm when std 405s (including Mi16) has (or had) 266mm thickness 20.4mm. Both provided by Bendix. Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (including Mi16) has (or had) 266mm thickness 20.4mm. Both provided by > Bendix. Ah, it uses the standard GTi-6 discs already then (283mm x 22mm). I had suspected as much, but I've read in the past about another T16 owner who had the standard discs on his - must have been a Friday Afternoon car :) Hi, > > It has "special" discs, diameter : 283mm, thickness 22mm when std 405s > > (including Mi16) has (or had) 266mm thickness 20.4mm. Both provided by > > Bendix. > Ah, it uses the standard GTi-6 discs already then (283mm x 22mm). Yes. They've got the same PN, indeed, hence the straight swap you mentionned. > I had suspected as much, but I've read in the past about another T16 owner > who had the standard discs on his - must have been a Friday Afternoon car :) Sure ! Damn, I still remember the white T16 I've seen once... The only one I saw, indeed... Was quite discreet (not that much difference with a standard Mi16, just 16" wheels), but the noise forced me to turn my head, and so I saw it was a T16. OK, OK, I don't have to force myself so much to turn head when there's a Pug I feel as being "special" in the street :-) Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st to all: I have a budget of around 12000EUR that I want to spend on engine tuning (turbocharger, inercooler, camshaft, pistons, valves etc....) Does anyone know where on the internet should I look? Where can I find those things at one place? Thanx -- ======================= 'Cause I'm hella-cool, that's why! > Hi, >>> It has "special" discs, diameter : 283mm, thickness 22mm when std [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > only one I saw, indeed... Was quite discreet (not that much > difference with a standard Mi16, just 16" wheels)... I think the rear spoiler's different too http://pug.valittu.net/members.surfeu.fi/peugeotsivut/t16/p405t16.jpg The standard spoiler doesn't have the flared ends, does it ? Hi, > Sure ! Damn, I still remember the white T16 I've seen once... The > > only one I saw, indeed... Was quite discreet (not that much > > difference with a standard Mi16, just 16" wheels)... > I think the rear spoiler's different too > http://pug.valittu.net/members.surfeu.fi/peugeotsivut/t16/p405t16.jpg > The standard spoiler doesn't have the flared ends, does it ? I haven't had a look to the picture yet, but I think it was the LeMans spoiler. Not that much difference, anyway :-) Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st Hi All the 2 litre MI16 & the Le-Mans had the same rear spoiler as the T16. Its part number 8664 17 if that helps. > Hi > > All the 2 litre MI16 & the Le-Mans had the same rear spoiler as the > T16. > > Its part number 8664 17 if that helps. Ah, interesting - cheers ! Are the 16" wheels the *only* external difference then ? Hi, > Ah, interesting - cheers ! Are the 16" wheels the *only* external difference > then ? And the T16 plate at back, I'm afraid. P/N 8664.17 is the rear spoiler for both LeMans and T16, possibly different of the one fit to SRi (IIRC, as an option / accessory). Cheers, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st |
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