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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / April 2005[OT] Rover closes
Hi, Slightly OT, but I wanna know : Coming back from work, listening to the radio while driving, and heard Rover's closing out. The Birmingham plant should close, and although I am not a Rover ham (I guess you all know it), what do you, brits, think about that ? Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not a Rover ham (I guess you all know it), what do you, brits, think about > that ? Inevitable, and a shame, I guess, though I'd rather see it die than keep on lagging behind. Seems the Chinese were quite clever: they got what they wanted (engine, two models, intellectual rights etc.) on the promise of buying the whole thing, then ducked out at the last minute. The consortium who bought Rover, feathered their own nests from day one, and then did little or nothing to move the business forward (buying the Qvale Mangusta was a silly diversion that wasted a few million) were pretty clever too. I would imagine somebody will want MG though, if only for the name. It wouldn't be for the cars. Perhaps Peugeot should buy MG and use the name for sports cars and big saloons. Or not. Androo Hi, > Inevitable, and a shame, I guess, though I'd rather see it die than keep on Well, not that aware of all these old stories, has it really survived the disaster of British Leyland ? And perhaps it will live once again, like did Triumph once NVT "died". > little or nothing to move the business forward (buying the Qvale Mangusta > was a silly diversion that wasted a few million) were pretty clever too. Well, Rover stopped doing some cars for ages, just putting a bodykit on a platform (for example the 620, and some other models in the past, copies of the Civic). > I would imagine somebody will want MG though, if only for the name. It > wouldn't be for the cars. That's what I tend to think, too. Anyway, all rentable areas of Rover were dismantled in the past, IIRC Ford had Rover for some time, and finally kept Land Rover (I may be wrong here), and so did BMW with Mini. > Perhaps Peugeot should buy MG and use the name for sports cars and big > saloons. > Or not. I guess they won't, 'cause they could have done it since 1978/1980 when they took control over Talbot. And Peugeot also has a past of great cars, luxious and / or sporty. All coupes, 60x series, for example. Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st I don't like Rovers and am glad of the closure, maybe not so for the loss of jobs but thats life. >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Androo On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:37:24 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named "Androo" <andrew.spammobutterfield@bradford.gov.uk> randomly hit the keyboard and produced: >I would imagine somebody will want MG though, if only for the name. It >wouldn't be for the cars. The MG name is still owned by BMW.  SignatureHugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?" > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:37:24 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named > "Androo" <andrew.spammobutterfield@bradford.gov.uk> randomly hit the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The MG name is still owned by BMW. I thought they only owned the Rover brand? > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not a Rover ham (I guess you all know it), what do you, brits, think about > that ? It's the workers I feel sorry for. The four owners are walking away with millions (16M between them was one figure I heard) whereas the poor bloody workers get ?208 per year of service. I couldn't give a monkeys about the marque TBH, there are too many cars around now anyway and too many manufacturers. British Leyland did for Rover and IMO it faced an uphill struggle since those days. SignatureMalc British Leyland did for Rover and IMO it faced an uphill > struggle since those days. There hasn't been a Rover since the 1960's, and the last MG was the TD model of about 1953 to the best of my knowledge. Tesco sell tins of baked beans, but it doesn't mean they're Heinz. Sticking what's perceived to be a good badge on a bad product doesn't make it good. I suggested the other day that this closure wasn't before time after fifty years of millions of pounds of British taxpayers money had been poured into the bottomless pit of BMC, BL, BA, Phoenix (whatever). Now I read that it's actually billions. If the politicians had any bottle when Red Robbo was rampaging in the 1970's they'd have pulled the plug on it then. (Incidentally, I'm old enough to remember the Leader of the House being quite newsworthy around that time). Wolseley, Morris, Standard, Triumph, Humber, Hillman, Lanchester, Singer, Austin and the rest were'nt viable in 1955, so the powers that be made them a big uncontrollable hulk- all vying with each other to produce mediocrity (apart from the mini), whilst the developing world using modern machinery,started producing stuff that customers wanted. DaveK. > There hasn't been a Rover since the 1960's, and the last MG was the TD model > of about 1953 to the best of my knowledge. Well, the MGF/TF may not come out of 'Morris Garages', but it is a unique model, not based on a bought in platform. And I'd argue that the 75 is a proper Rover too, no matter where the money, or the rear suspension came from! Two classic cars of the future, I'd say. Androo >> There hasn't been a Rover since the 1960's, and the last MG was the >> TD model of about 1953 to the best of my knowledge. > > Well, the MGF/TF may not come out of 'Morris Garages', but it is a > unique model, not based on a bought in platform. Remember the Metro ? Interestingly enough, the MGF is actually a pair of Metro front-subframes, fastened back-to-back. But you're right, it is a "Genuine Rover" :) > > Well, the MGF/TF may not come out of 'Morris Garages', but it is a > > unique model, not based on a bought in platform. > > Remember the Metro ? Interestingly enough, the MGF is actually a pair of > Metro front-subframes, fastened back-to-back. > But you're right, it is a "Genuine Rover" :) Yes, I knew that, and of course it used Hydragas suspension when it was the MGF, but even so, being mid engined could be considered sufficiently different from the Metro. Certainly got a better crash test result, no doubt because of the lack of an engine up front. Androo Hi, > Wolseley, Morris, Standard, Triumph, Humber, Hillman, Lanchester, Singer, Huh, a list of names I forgot :-) > Austin and the rest were'nt viable in 1955, so the powers that be made them Well, TBH I don't know the windings of british economics, but a bankrupt (spelling) as knew almost all UK's automotive manufacturers is a sign of a problem. > a big uncontrollable hulk- all vying with each other to produce mediocrity > (apart from the mini), whilst the developing world using modern > machinery,started producing stuff that customers wanted. Well, that's a principle of evolution : either you adapt, else you disappear. True with life and economy, IMO. The fact that the government helped these companies with (many) money just lubricates a rusty mechanism, it doesn't "repair" it (I hope you see what I mean here). Also in France the government owned Renault totally from 1945 to 1992 or 1993 (not sure about the exact date), do you remember the loads of crap they released ? I could write the same with Thomson, perhaps they developped up-to-date, efficient military devices like radars, but the "public" division (Thomson Consumer Electronics) made many crappy tellies. I tend to think that a public firm isn't efficient enough, just 'cause they don't really care about money, as they can lose ?10M a year. Oh, BTW, when you think about that, Rover isn't the last automotive manufacturer, Vauxhall is still there :-) Ok, not fun, VH are just Opels with a different front grille - at least we can state it isn't "hidden". Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st Hi, Thanks for your reply. > manufacturers. British Leyland did for Rover and IMO it faced an uphill > struggle since those days. I guess that, IMO, British Leyland did nothing good for british automotive industry, do you think I'm right in assuming that ? Another point, 'cause I'm in doubt (but this won't stop me from sleeping tonight), B-L was a public holding for british automotive brands, but was it owned by the government ? Cheers, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I am not a Rover ham (I guess you all know it), what do you, brits, > think about that ? I feel *very* sorry for the 6,000 workers at Longbridge, plus the 17,000 workers at Rover's suppliers (though obviously most of these won't be losing their jobs), and the many more thousands who work in Rover's dealer network. I'm not too bothered about Rover themselves - the 75 V8 is the only car they make, that I'd consider owning. The SV would be right up there with it, if it was half the price. I do like the rest of the MG ZT range, but they're all underpowered for me. And I suppose I see why people like the MGF, even though it's not for me. The 25/ZR and 45/ZS are pretty dire - nobody will miss a pair of dodgy old 90s Hondas ! I aren't quite sure why people are bemoaning the loss of the K-Series to the Chinese - it doesn't offer anything over the rest of today's engines. Shame about all the job losses,but of course papers like the Mail and Express will try to pin the blame on Tony Blair as they do with every other negative thing which happens in this country. There was nothing the Government could do about poor old Rover. They tried to drag out the company's existence until after the general election for P.R reasons but Rover has been draining money from British Taxpayers for a long time now. It should have closed down long ago. The thousands of job losses will be disasterous for the families involved & many companies that supplied Rover will face huge job cuts too. I live fairly close to Longbridge & wonder what effect all this will have on the local economy. JG I agree, I feel saddened at the loss of so many jobs and the effect it will have on the local economy, I am also equally saddened that another great motoring legend has finally sadly gone, Fitzy > There was nothing the Government could do about poor old Rover. They tried > to drag out the company's existence until after the general election for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > JG |
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