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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / May 2005Those lovely smoky mornings....
Hi, had a 405 1.9 Turbo Diesel for about 3 months now. It seems very willing and pleasant to drive. However it has started to take a little longer to start in the mornings, with the resultant cloud of smoke when it starts. It missfires for about the first 15 seconds. When I first got it there was no such problem. I reckong the glow plugs are still working because it won't start without the pause for the light to go out. So what does the team think? A dose of injector cleaner? If so, which one? New glow plugs needed? If so, genuine Pug or 3rd party? TIA Dave R P.S. getting between 40 and 42 mpg on mainly 50-70(ish) mph runs. Is this about right? Hi, > So what does the team think? You may well have a glow plug on its way out. My 205D had a terrible start when I changed them, and there was only 1 healthy glow plug out of 4. > If so, genuine Pug or 3rd party? You could take Pug genuines (should be Bosch or Beru), else buy good 3rd party plugs. I had Beru as original plugs, now I have Bosch Duraterm series, I can't tell more 'cause it was just 3 months ago. HTH, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I reckong the glow plugs are still working because it won't start without >the pause for the light to go out. theire working so so, as in on of them is working three have gone titty up the last one gets you moter running, dodgy at first, until the other cilinders start to kick in. >So what does the team think? > >A dose of injector cleaner? >If so, which one? none!! the cleaners are bullshit... have you got any idea of the pressure of wich one of the best cleaning stuff ( diesel) is rushed through the injectors? >New glow plugs needed? >If so, genuine Pug or 3rd party? dont get them at halfords.. bosch makes them as good as they get, pug ones are ok as well expect them to live 60.000 miles its an easy DIY job that takes about 15 minutes. dont wait any longer with it, i've seen a cilinder in wich a glow plug lost some partikels... auch >TIA >Dave R > >P.S. getting between 40 and 42 mpg on mainly 50-70(ish) mph runs. >Is this about right? > >Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > runs. > >Is this about right? > expect them to live 60.000 miles Thinking about it mine could probably do with a change, they haven’t quite done 50k yet but I should do it while I’ve got the money. > Thinking about it mine could probably do with a change, they haven’t > quite done 50k yet but I should do it while I’ve got the money. They needn't be expensive. Look here, for example: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10406&item=4549859795&r d=1&ssPageName=WDVW I bought a set of genuine Citroen plugs from E-bay for about £10 inc P&P and they've been fine. Chris "user2065" wrote: > > Thinking about it mine could probably do with a change, they > haven’t [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Chris Cheers but I’ve already bought and fitted a set of Bosch. Plus I don’t use E-Bay on principles I won’t explain here (cos it’d take too long). I did post a few hours ago that I can’t get one out, but the post seems to have dissapeared :? The hex bit that you’re meant to unscrew them with is separate from the body on the second plug from alternator end so I can’t shift it. Going to ask my mechanic to try and shift it tomorrow while he’s fitting a new cambelt. Any suggestions would help just incase he can’t shift it. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Is this about right? > -- Try leaving it slightly longer on preheat before trying to start the engine. If it starts better then it is probably dirty or coroded glow plugs. I drive my XUD quite hard so I get soot buildup and get the same problem. If I leave my car to warm slightly longer it makes a plink noise and then starts fine. Mine starts properly again if I take out the glow plugs and wipe off the carbon deposits with a dry clean cloth or shammy, I just can’t be bothered most times. <snip> > Try leaving it slightly longer on preheat before trying to start the > engine. If it starts better then it is probably dirty or coroded glow [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the carbon deposits with a dry clean cloth or shammy, I just can't be > bothered most times. <snip> I may be wrong (I usually am) but doesn't the preheat stop when the yellow glow-plug light goes out? Otherwise you could turn the ignition on and leave it (for good or bad reasons) and the glow-plugs would be on permanently. Perhaps turn on, then when light goes off turn off and on again quickly for a second shot? I may take the glow-plugs out for a look this weekend. Cheers Dave R Hi, > I may be wrong (I usually am) but doesn't the preheat stop when the yellow > glow-plug light goes out? Nope, not with PPR-boxes (Pré-Post chauffage rapide, should give Pre-Post fast glowing). You'll hear the relay clicking a little after the yellow light comes off, that is the real end of glowing. > Perhaps turn on, then when light goes off turn off and on again quickly for > a second shot? That is a good idea (although it didn't help me a lot). Regards, G.T g.t6@worldonline.fr 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : http://205d.fr.st > I may be wrong (I usually am) but doesn't the preheat stop when the yellow > glow-plug light goes out? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I may take the glow-plugs out for a look this weekend. The light goes out when they reach optimum temperature but power continues to flow for another 30 seconds to 3 minutes depending on the ambient temperature (quoted from Haynes).  SignatureKeith Willcocks (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!) > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > P.S. getting between 40 and 42 mpg on mainly 50-70(ish) mph runs. > Is this about right? Also check your cold starting mechanism. On my Peugeot 205 D Turbo it is a cable going from the thermostat housing to the fuel pump, it pulls when it's cold and releases when warm. Mine stopped working so I just adjusted it open permanently, smokes a bit more but starts great. Andy > > P.S. getting between 40 and 42 mpg on mainly 50-70(ish) mph runs. > > Is this about right? Depends on how heavy your right foot is, and the duration of the journey and type of road. Not unreasonable though. > Also check your cold starting mechanism. On my Peugeot 205 D Turbo it is a > cable going from the thermostat housing to the fuel pump, it pulls when it's > cold and releases when warm. Mine stopped working so I just adjusted it open > permanently, smokes a bit more but starts great. > > Andy That just alters the tickover speed, increases it when cold. It will make no difference to starting or normal running. Brian. >> > P.S. getting between 40 and 42 mpg on mainly 50-70(ish) mph runs. >> > Is this about right? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Brian. I agree, the cable is just a thermostatically controlled fast idle system, Fitzy |
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