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I'm thinking of buying a 307

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bigjon - 16 May 2005 07:45 GMT
Ok, any body want to advise me -
good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
any advice re age etc.
Looking to spend between £5k and £7k at most,
needs are:
Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
2 or 4 door not important.....
Androo - 16 May 2005 11:19 GMT
> needs are:
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....

If you really must have reliability, a 307 is not the car for you. Have you
not seen any of the customer satisfaction surveys? In the most recent
AutoExpress survey, the 307 came last for reliability. No other car was
worse. It came 104th out of 124 in the JD Power survey, and that was an
improvement on the year before.

But if you must have one, and you want nippy and economical, the 2.0 diesel
models may be for you. Rapier or later 'S' models are cheapish and come as
standard with aircon, alloys, CD player and all the safety kit you could
want. A 1.6 diesel came later but may be out of your price range. The 1.4
diesel is pretty slow.

The 307 has a pretty good, spacious interior, when it's not falling apart,
and very good brakes.

The 307 is quite good on the motorway too, but kicks up a lot of wind and
road noise. You'll have to shout to rear seat passengers. Around town, the
ride isn't nearly as good as rivals like the Astra and Golf, and the
suspension makes a lot of crashing noises. I recently tested the new Astra
over three days and its quietness and ride comfort were a revelation after
the 307.

Beware of Peugeot dealers who are usually useless.

Androo
Ady - 16 May 2005 17:41 GMT
> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....

Ok i have had 2 307 2.0 HDi's bits falling off interior etc,carpet too short
crashing noises from suspension and my latest 307 needed a complete new fuel
system cause the lift pump in the tank broke away and caused all sorts of
stalling and stuttering problems,Needless to say i've since done with 307's
and am now the proud owner of a honda civic 1.7 ctdi diesel and covered
almost 4k pleasureable miles of silence smootheness and reliability.
Hugo Nebula - 16 May 2005 21:53 GMT
>needs are:
>Reliability,

Not the 307's forté.

>good MPG,

My 307 2.0l 110bhp HDi barely gives 40mpg.
 
> must be nippy in town

Mine has to be worked hard to get a reasonable turn of speed.
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bigjon - 16 May 2005 22:49 GMT
Ok, it looks like the consensus so far is _anti_ 307.

Anybody got any other suggestions??
bigjon - 18 May 2005 09:37 GMT
bigjon decided to add:

> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....

so now I'm thinking 206 2.0 tdi glx...

??
Androo - 18 May 2005 09:52 GMT
> so now I'm thinking 206 2.0 tdi glx...
>
> ??

The 206 was even further down the table than the 307 in the latest JD Power
survey. Testers always moan about the appalling driving position too.

You'd be much better off with a Skoda Fabia than a 206. Quieter, better
ride, more spacious, much more reliable...

Are you sure you really want a Peugeot?

Androo
bigjon - 18 May 2005 14:41 GMT
Androo decided to add:

>> so now I'm thinking 206 2.0 tdi glx...
>>
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>
> Androo

No, not really.
I'm surprised that there is no positive comment in here?
I'm going back to alt.autos.citroen for now....
Wichita - 18 May 2005 15:46 GMT
> Androo decided to add:
>
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> I'm surprised that there is no positive comment in here?
> I'm going back to alt.autos.citroen for now....

OTHR ... a nice 405 turbo d will run and run and run ... so long as you
know how to fix: the leaky heater matrix, the remote door solenoids, the
security (who bothers?), the aircon controls and electric windows and
the rear suspension arms, and never forget the radio code  ... looks
nice but unattractive to thieves, very comfortable, carries masses of
people and gear,  handles very well and eats motorway miles - London to
Cornwall on half a tank ... that's why some of us are still here, and
still not buying 406s ........yet. :/ ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Martin Dixon - 18 May 2005 22:56 GMT
>> Androo decided to add:
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> Cornwall on half a tank ... that's why some of us are still here, and
> still not buying 406s ........yet. :/ ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I'd skip it and get a 407 if i were you!

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Matthew Haigh - 18 May 2005 19:03 GMT
>Androo decided to add:
>
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>No, not really.
>I'm surprised that there is no positive comment in here?

I think it's a sad indictment about the current Peugeots that no-one in
a Peugeot newsgroup will defend them. The older ones (205 to 405 era)
were great, the new ones are simply an embarrassment.

>I'm going back to alt.autos.citroen for now....

Are the current multiplexed Citroens any better, from a reliability
point of view? Citroen UK can only be better than Peugeot UK at
resolving problems...

Matt (currently suffering with an 807, the last Peugeot, and probably
the last French car I'll ever own)
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Streltsky - 18 May 2005 23:36 GMT
>I think it’s a sad indictment about the current Peugeots that
>no-one in
>a Peugeot newsgroup will defend them. The older ones (205 to 405 era)

>were great, the new ones are simply an embarrassment.


In defence of the new ones, my bro has a 206 1.4 GLX and has had over
two years happy driving. Except for having to get the ?tracking? done
the other month nothing has gone wrong. He even gets about 45mpg out
of it, which rivals my 205D when I flog it.

It’s also a comfier car than my 205, especially on the motorway.
bigjon - 19 May 2005 09:46 GMT
Matthew Haigh decided to add:

> I think it's a sad indictment about the current Peugeots that no-one in
> a Peugeot newsgroup will defend them. The older ones (205 to 405 era)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> point of view? Citroen UK can only be better than Peugeot UK at
> resolving problems...

I don't know yet, but I had a xantia that I finally disposed of a couple of
years ago with 270K on the clock (I used it as a Taxi).
It had to have one gearbox and a Turbo, and I had the drivers door hinges
welded back on once. Other than that, 4 years great value....

I now run a Volvo 940 auto for domestic use, but am forced into down sizing
due to finances...
I thought that a nice little Peugeot would do the job, being slightly
cheaper but equitable to the Citroen...
Now thinking I was wrong !!
Julian Mattay - 19 May 2005 01:16 GMT
> Androo decided to add:
>
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> I'm surprised that there is no positive comment in here?
> I'm going back to alt.autos.citroen for now....

G'day,

Looks like I'm the odd man out. I have a 5+ year old 1.6
petrol manual 206 XT with 125k km. I've had no trouble with
it, get 5.5 - 6.5 l/100km (brisk country - small city driving)
and am very pleased with it. The driving position suits me
well; please don't laugh, perhaps I am a funny shape <grin>. I
don't know where these Aussie Peugeots are built though but
haven't heard complaints about the 307 here; years ago
Peugeots were assembled here but that's back in 404, 504 days
(no trouble with those either).

Cheers,
Julian
Disclaimer: I may be "slightly" biased as I've very happily
also owned 203, 403, 404 & 504 over the past 40+ years

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Keith Holley - 22 May 2005 06:52 GMT
>> Androo decided to add:
>>
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>> I'm surprised that there is no positive comment in here?
>> I'm going back to alt.autos.citroen for now....

       Citroenwas taken over by Peugeot in 1974 Hmmmmm

>G'day,
>
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>Disclaimer: I may be "slightly" biased as I've very happily
>also owned 203, 403, 404 & 504 over the past 40+ year

Me too must be another odd man out. My wife has 307 Hdi diesel has done some
37k and was the first 307 Hdi ordered from our local dealer (Ballarat).  Most
of the driving has been counrty driving (long trips) and is a pleasure to
drive and travel in. The only thing that needs replacing are the tyres they
are just too soft for the Australian country roads.    Peugeots in Australia
have all been noted for reliability and doing thing differently.  Funny you
know were we live there are plenty of 404,504,505 even odd 603 running around
the district.
Keith


ABCD - 19 May 2005 10:32 GMT
Hi all,

I'm from South Africa and own a 307 1.6 with 30000km on the clock.

I've had no problems thus far and having driven many different cars, this is
one of the more driver friendly with regards comfort, road view, controls
etc.

Fuel consumption is normal, I get about 13.5-14km to the liter

Matt
p.s. I previously owned a 206 for 55000km and had no problems with that
either!

> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....
Crazy Aizy - 20 May 2005 10:50 GMT
> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....

Hello,

I drive a 2003 307Hdi Dturbo (110BHP) and unlike many on this NG, I'm very
happy with the car. It's comfortable, quiet, handles well, rattle free and
generally feels solid and well put together. I haven't had anything break or
fall off! Motorway cruising is a delight, wind and road noise are low.  MPG
varies between 34 round town in stop-start conditions and 50 on motorway
journeys.
Depite all the negative comments and low rankings in surveys, there are a
lot of 307's about (at least where I live), so my advice would be to take a
test drive if you can, and judge the car for yourself.

Steve
Frank B - 20 May 2005 17:03 GMT
Hope I am not tempting fate but I am well pleased with my 2 year old
406 2.2 HDI estate in which I have done 55,000 miles. Good economy,
performance, tows my caravan well and even a good Main Dealer (Halls
Warrington). My son runs a 206 HDI which is also reliable.

Had two other Pugs in the past  5.5 2.5GTD Turbo (150,000 miles) and
a 605 2.1 TD (178,000 miles)  great cars

Frank
Matt - 23 May 2005 11:36 GMT
Yep, I can vouch for Hall Motors Peugeot in Warrington too, they've managed
to get all manner of old odd bits for my 205RG in the past and always with
good service.

M
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> Hope I am not tempting fate but I am well pleased with my 2 year old
> 406 2.2 HDI estate in which I have done 55,000 miles. Good economy,
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>
> Frank
Matthew Haigh - 23 May 2005 14:28 GMT
> Yep, I can vouch for Hall Motors Peugeot in Warrington too, they've managed
> to get all manner of old odd bits for my 205RG in the past and always with
> good service.

When living in Manchester, and driving Pugs of that kind of era (i.e.
205, 405, the original 106, 306s etc.) I always had splendid service
from all the local dealers - Tom Garner, Brown & White (as it was then),
Ashton Lyne Motors etc. The cars were excellent, the service always
better than I would expect. If a part wasn't in stock, it would be there
next day or they would check with the other local dealers to find one
who had it in. I did a good half million miles in those cars, with no
major issues. I'd recommend a looked-after second hand one of those
without hesitation.

The problem cars seem to be these multiplexed heaps of junk - if you get
a good one they are fine, otherwise the dealers (at least my local ones)
don't have a clue how to fix them, and Peugeot UK don't give a damn
about customer service or satisfaction. They are quite happy that I've
been back to the dealer well over a dozen times with my 807 Executive,
and it is still unreliable and shoddily built. Everyone passes the buck,
no one will take ownership and just get the problem resolved. Even the
current 807 loan car I've got is showing some of the same problems that
mine has.

Matt
mindwipe - 20 May 2005 20:14 GMT
> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....

Dont!!!!
intell1 - 25 May 2005 15:30 GMT
> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....

One thing we like a lot: spacious interior, lots of luggage room.

Good points: steering, brake feel.

Mediocre points: it behaves more like a 8V than a typical 16V, which may
actually be good for every day use (the 1.4L, no direct experience with
the 1.6L). Build quality is average.

Bad points: the rear suspension is not comfortable enough for a Peugeot.

The bottom line: how lucky you get with its electronics. Ours has been
good to us so far. Others have spit blood over it. It is probably decent
 value for money, especially when considering how pricey immediate
competition has got (see Golfs, Civics, Corolas, etc).

Just my 2c.

Nikolas
Mike D - 27 May 2005 19:19 GMT
I have had my 53 plate 307 estate for six months now - it is a 1600cc petrol
model and i am over the moon with it - it never drops below 35 to the gallon
no matter how i drive it -  i am a ford technician and drive fords and work
on them all day long - i would not touch any one of them with a barge poll -
so i suppose it`s each to his own - if you really want one don`t be put
off -go for it !

> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....
bigjon - 28 May 2005 00:03 GMT
Mike D decided to add:

> I have had my 53 plate 307 estate for six months now - it is a 1600cc petrol
> model and i am over the moon with it - it never drops below 35 to the gallon
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
>> 2 or 4 door not important.....

Still dithering, but I think a 307 would do me -
a nice 2.0 DTI GLX I think...
LuckyLuck - 20 Jun 2005 22:42 GMT
I have a 307 HDI FAP 2.0 16V.

3 weeks ago I had a problem with EGR valve and Peugeot hasn't the spare
parts. My car is under warranty and Peugeot Service is not able to tell me
when and if they will replace it.
Think what you want....

> Ok, any body want to advise me -
> good, bad, which model/engine/spec 307 to buy or not buy,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Reliability, good MPG, must be nippy in town but comfy on motorway.
> 2 or 4 door not important.....
 
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