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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / July 2005306 Air Con, saga continues
After a discussion on urcm recently, I decided to book my 306 TD in to have the known leaky front air con pipe replaced. They checked the system, no other leaks, and they fitted the new pipe and a replacement drier as well. No problems, apart from the bill. So I hop in the car and have a lovely 2 mile drive before it all goes warm, and then hot. Bugger. No leaks anywhere, except some clear liquid around the new front pipe, no drips onto the ground at all. After a couple more miles the compressor stops cutting in, so presumably I have a leak somewhere. It's booked in again on Thursday afternoon, and when I spoke to them they said they do put dye in all re-gasses, so not really sure what the clear liquid is around the pipe, it was a little more viscous than water. So, where could the refrigerant go? I also had a kind of gas noise from the dash as it was getting warm, googling leads me to believe this is just part of the system running out of refrigerant. Baffled, hope this isn't a major failure like a compressor :-(  SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 > After a discussion on urcm recently, I decided to book my 306 TD in to > have the known leaky front air con pipe replaced. They checked the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Baffled, hope this isn't a major failure like a compressor :-( The compressor is more than likely fine, looks like the new pipe they fitted hasn't been done properly. There are rubber washers each end of the pipe, one at the compressor end and where the pipe continues. Both of these should be new when refitting. I know from my experience that the washer at the compressor end certainly doesn't come supplied with the pipe and must be bought separately. They've either not replaced that or damaged one or the other of these seals. Your refrigerant won't leak out - it's a gas. The leakage will normally come from the oil used to lubricate the compressor. I had a garage refil my A/C. they also assured me they used dye. When mine leaked I didn't see it either. >> After a discussion on urcm recently, I decided to book my 306 TD in to >> have the known leaky front air con pipe replaced. They checked the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > refil my A/C. they also assured me they used dye. When mine leaked I > didn't see it either. Usually the dye can only be seen by ultra violet light. mrcheerful > >> After a discussion on urcm recently, I decided to book my 306 TD in to > >> have the known leaky front air con pipe replaced. They checked the [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Usually the dye can only be seen by ultra violet light. Yes, and no- it can be seen on the skin as a yellowish tint, which wont wash out- rather like getting iodine on your skin. Tim.. >> After a discussion on urcm recently, I decided to book my 306 TD in to >> Baffled, hope this isn't a major failure like a compressor :-( [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >refil my A/C. they also assured me they used dye. When mine leaked I >didn't see it either. Yeah sorry, bad description on my part. When it leaked before I had a few pools of green dye oil on the drive, but this time it's dry, and apart from a bit around the new pipe it's dry in the engine bay too. I hope it is the pipe, as it means I won't have to shell out again. SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 >The compressor is more than likely fine, looks like the new pipe they >fitted hasn't been done properly. There are rubber washers each end of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >refil my A/C. they also assured me they used dye. When mine leaked I >didn't see it either. Bugger - again. One new condenser and a recommendation to replace the other pipe. Booked in for next Friday, but it's a 4 hour job as the bumper etc etc has to come off for the condenser change. Well it'd better bloody work after that.... SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 > Bugger - again. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well it'd better bloody work after that.... Sorry, hit the wrong button last time. I can't see how there is anything wrong with your compressor when it was working fine before the gas escaped. How did they evaluate your compressor needed changing? Remember, this is the garage that didn't even fix it properly in the first place. Do you trust their analysis? >> Bugger - again. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Remember, this is the garage that didn't even fix it properly in the >first place. Do you trust their analysis? Did anybody mention a compressor? SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 > Did anybody mention a compressor? > > -- Sorry, condenser. That's what happens when you spend too much time in front of a computer, you end up going word blind! >> Did anybody mention a compressor? >> >> -- > >Sorry, condenser. That's what happens when you spend too much time in >front of a computer, you end up going word blind! To be fair the leak is bloody hard to spot (right behind the fan) and would only have ended up in the same puddle as the bigger leak from the pipe I knew about. They didn't charge me for the second diagnostic, so really it's just a bit of inconvenience, car is booked in for next Friday when I'm not at work anyway, so no big deal, apart from the bill. arrgh. SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 >>> Did anybody mention a compressor? >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > really it's just a bit of inconvenience, car is booked in for next Friday > when I'm not at work anyway, so no big deal, apart from the bill. arrgh. Have they suggested what it might cost? I ask because the symptoms sound similar to my wife's 306. SignatureKeith Willcocks (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!) >>>> Did anybody mention a compressor? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Have they suggested what it might cost? I ask because the symptoms sound >similar to my wife's 306. Total will be over 500 with the two visits. Condenser - 100 quid plus 4 hours to fit (all and sundry from front of car has to be removed) First pipe (already replaced) 75 quid plus an hour to fit Second pipe (to be done with condenser) 45 quid Plus one diagnostic test and two re-gas, and the dreaded VAT. Hourly rate is 47 quid inc, which is about par for the course in Brum centre. SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 Have read your "story" with great interest. I have a similar problem with my 306. Leaks sometimes some fluid (water I suppose) under and on passenger seats mat when hot weather and long drive. Can't find the leak. Have been to service for this three times. Is ok for a while and then it comes back again. Did your last trip to the service cure all problems? Rgds Lars SignatureLars > Have read your "story" with great interest. > I have a similar problem with my 306. > Leaks sometimes some fluid (water I suppose) under and on passenger > seats mat when hot weather and long drive. Can't find the leak. Have > been to service for this three times. Is ok for a while and then it > comes back again. Your aircon drain hole is blocked. Dunno where it is on the 306, but aircon systems have a drain to let out the condensation. Yours is blocked, so instead of escaping onto the road, it's escaping into your footwell. That's assuming it really is just water. If it's got coolant in, then your heater matrix is shafted. Good luck :) > Have read your "story" with great interest. > I have a similar problem with my 306. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Did your last trip to the service cure all problems? I think I saw an earlier thread where water on the passenger mat was traced to the heater matrix (or its 'O' rings). SignatureKeith Willcocks (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!) >>Have they suggested what it might cost? I ask because the symptoms sound >>similar to my wife's 306. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hourly rate is 47 quid inc, which is about par for the course in Brum > centre. Thanks for the price. I think I will buy her one of those little dash mounted fans instead ;o) SignatureKeith Willcocks (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!) Well, double buggery :-( They tried taking the condenser and pipe out, but all the bolts were badly corroded and started snapping off. So short of removing the front valance and drilling out the snapped bolts there's no chance of me getting my air con working. They were also concerned about the state of the radiator and didn't want to risk creating a coolant leak. They thought that car had been sat in the sea for a couple of weeks, in fact it's just been through some hard motorway winters. Typical, did 300 miles yesterday in boiling heat :-( In for full service and cam belt change next week, I'll get them to give me a second opinion while it's on the ramp. SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 > Well, double buggery :-( > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thought that car had been sat in the sea for a couple of weeks, in fact > it's just been through some hard motorway winters. Its the salty spray driven into the condensor and rad thats caused the corrosion... Tim.. >> Well, double buggery :-( >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Tim.. Yeah I guessed, 110 miles a day Hull<>Leeds might preserve engine internals but it's not done a lot for the aluminium at the front! SignatureMike Buckley RD350LC2 GSF600S http://www.toastyhamster.org BONY#38 > >> Well, double buggery :-( > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Yeah I guessed, 110 miles a day Hull<>Leeds might preserve engine > internals but it's not done a lot for the aluminium at the front! Having the luxury of a power washer, I always try to remember to swill out the radiator / condensor once or twice a year when its car wash time at home. Tim.. |
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