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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / September 2005406 Engine Quality
Hi everyone I am wondering if anyone can assist with something. I have been looking at a 1.9 petrol V reg 406 Estate, it has done 110,000 miles. How are these engines at lasting? Is this engine likely to go onwards eg upto 150,000 miles? are they susceptable to failure? I am aware that the cam belts are known to be weak and need replacing at 30,000 mile intervals. Does anyone have any advice on what to look out for on a 406 Estate with this sort of mileage? Thanks Freddy > Hi everyone > > I am wondering if anyone can assist with something. > > I have been looking at a 1.9 petrol V reg 406 Estate Erm, there's no such thing :) Is it really the 2.0 16v Petrol ? > it has done > 110,000 miles. > > How are these engines at lasting? Is this engine likely to go onwards > eg upto 150,000 miles? are they susceptable to failure? How long is a piece of string. As long as it has a full service history, then there's no reason to suspect it won't clear the 150k mark. If it doesn't have good history, then walk away - 110k with minimal maintenance, will be nearing the end of it's life. > I am aware > that the cam belts are known to be weak and need replacing at 30,000 > mile intervals. > > Does anyone have any advice on what to look out for on a 406 Estate > with this sort of mileage? The price. With 110k on the clock, it should be cheap as chips, so I wouldn't worry too much about it's reliability. It'll have done quite a lot of motorway mileage in it's life, so shouldn't really be any more worn than your average-mileage car. Thanks for your reply Nom. You are quite correct in that 1.9 doesn't exist. However i have found out that it is a 1.8 GLX (shuddering with memory of the 405 GLX i had that was plagued with bad engine problems) Cheers Freddy p.s. "how long is a peice of string?" the answer is purported to be "infinity minus 1". > Erm, there's no such thing :) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of motorway mileage in it's life, so shouldn't really be any more worn than > your average-mileage car. > Thanks for your reply Nom. > > You are quite correct in that 1.9 doesn't exist. However i have found > out that it is a 1.8 GLX (shuddering with memory of the 405 GLX i had > that was plagued with bad engine problems) The 1.8 is underpowered in the lardy 406. Steer clear, and look for the 2.2 HDi Diesel or the 2.0 16v Petrol. There are heaps of high-mileage ex-fleet cars around, so you shouldn't have any problems finding one with a correctly sized engine :) >> Thanks for your reply Nom. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >are heaps of high-mileage ex-fleet cars around, so you shouldn't have any >problems finding one with a correctly sized engine :) i second that, an 1.8 wont go for all that long in a lumpy 406 2.0/ 2.2 littre HDi or a 3.0 litre V6 would do better Afiak the 1.8 and the 2.0 petrol engines are the same lump with a different head > >The 1.8 is underpowered in the lardy 406. > >Steer clear, and look for the 2.2 HDi Diesel or the 2.0 16v Petrol. There > >are heaps of high-mileage ex-fleet cars around, so you shouldn't have any > >problems finding one with a correctly sized engine :) Blimey - that's nearly a quote from the parkers guide! > i second that, an 1.8 wont go for all that long in a lumpy 406 My 1998 406 estate 1.8 petrol is just passing 120k miles, it was dealer serviced to nearly 80k and has been used by me on long motorway runs to my varying workplaces. It has had a new idle control valve and MAP sensor and numerous filter/oul/plug changes (More often than Pug schedule) and there is no smoke, noise, etc, just a reliable car. I'm happy with it but don't thrash it - it tows anything I've thrown at it so far (1.25 tonne trailer sailer) and it is comfy. On the long runs to work it costs me between 10p/mile to 11p/mile in petrol. Our 3 kids fit in the back, it has loads of room for loads of other stuff - what else do you want in your car, dammit? Style? Artie My first peugeot was a 504 and I was haapy with it. Next was a 505 which felt a bit underpowered (and the engine had to be rebuilt because of some problem with the seals on the wet sleeves). So my 406 is V6 - not exactly blistering power but adequate and few problems. > My first peugeot was a 504 and I was haapy with it. Next was a 505 > which felt a bit underpowered (and the engine had to be rebuilt because > of some problem with the seals on the wet sleeves). > > So my 406 is V6 - not exactly blistering power but adequate and few > problems. Lucky thing, but our petrol is 94p/litre at the moment, so me returning to a car with a decent engine is a real nono! Artie >> >The 1.8 is underpowered in the lardy 406. >> >Steer clear, and look for the 2.2 HDi Diesel or the 2.0 16v Petrol. There [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Artie to whom you wrote your follow up? i wont say yours wont go over 120k miles i just think the engine is underpowered as the car is a lumpy piece to drag around. >>> The 1.8 is underpowered in the lardy 406. >>> Steer clear, and look for the 2.2 HDi Diesel or the 2.0 16v Petrol. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Blimey - that's nearly a quote from the parkers guide! Good to see they know what they're talking about then :) >Thanks for your reply Nom. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> of motorway mileage in it's life, so shouldn't really be any more worn than >> your average-mileage car. Got one of those but not the estate.Fine engine up to the 88k I've done.Always had it serviced and it tows a 2 berth caravan effortlessly. They always had a rep.for good engines.You MUST ensure the timing belt has been changed or if bought get it done.A 2 grand repair awaits if it goes.I like my car and engine apart from the clock and other minor niggles. >Hi everyone > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Thanks To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except for the v6 petrol ,(es9j4).personally i'd stick to the diesels either 2.0 hdi 110 NOT the 90 (dw10ated) or 2.2 h.d.i (dw12) regards mark..... > To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except for > the > v6 petrol ,(es9j4).personally i'd stick to the diesels either 2.0 hdi 110 > NOT > the 90 (dw10ated) or 2.2 h.d.i (dw12) regards mark..... Never? You're a great one for generalisations aren't you? And like most generalisations, it's wrong. And who is this 'we'? Ron Robinson >> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except for >> the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Ron Robinson what an ignorant prick!!!....... who the hell are you to judge my opinions? . Do you work on these vehicles everyday of your life? . I say the word "we" as i work for a peugeot franchise ..... i love idiots like yourself who haven't even probably haven't picked up a spanner or a scope in their lives. .....please leave a comment as i could do with a laugh .... >>> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except for >>> the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >haven't even probably haven't picked up a spanner or a scope in their lives. >.....please leave a comment as i could do with a laugh ... :-) sorry about the " i love idiots like yourself who >haven't even probably haven't picked up a spanner or a scope in their lives" we all make mistakes don't we ron ;-) >>>> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except >>>> for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>opinions? . >>Do you work on these vehicles everyday of your life? . Not every day, but I have been driving Peugeots since 1960 (before you were even a twinkle, I suspect) and worked on quite a few as well. >> I say the word "we" >>as i work for a peugeot franchise ..... And when did you and/or this franchise last design and build an engine? i love idiots like yourself who >>haven't even probably haven't picked up a spanner or a scope in their >>lives. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>haven't even probably haven't picked up a spanner or a scope in their >>lives" we all make mistakes don't we ron ;-) Yes, I'm afraid you did. But never mind, please learn by it - that's what mistakes are for... Ron Robinson >>>>> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except >>>>> for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Ron Robinson Hi ..driving them doesn't make you an expert ron ;-).I am not saying i 'm one (but in peugeot's eyes i am) .But when you repair these vehicles everyday of your life you tend to know whats good and bad .Like i said the petrols are bad.... they don't even touch anything decent like japanese stuff which I.M.H.O are brilliant... lets hope we do well with the 107( japanese 384f engine) best regards mark ;-) >>>>>> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except >>>>>> for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Hi ..driving them doesn't make you an expert ron ;-). Maybe not, but spending many years building and preparing sports/racing and racing cars goes a bit of the way... I am not saying i 'm > one (but in peugeot's eyes i am) Yes, we have gathered that you think that Peugeot have as high an opinion of yourself as you have ;-) > But when you repair these vehicles > everyday of your life you tend to know whats good and bad .Like i said > the > petrols are bad.... they don't even touch anything decent like japanese > stuff which I.M.H.O are brilliant... lets hope we do well with the 107( > japanese 384f engine) best regards mark ;-) Saying all Peugeot petrol engines are bad doesn't really help anyone unless you can back it up with actual facts, not just opinion. If you just went on that, you might well find yourself out on a limb when it comes to the V6. You may well be right about some engines though - I'd just like to know which and what exactly you think is wrong with them. Ron Robinson Hi, > You may well be right about some engines though - I'd just like to know > which and what exactly you think is wrong with them. I'll second Mark on some points, as I think some engines were unfair regarding Pug's reputation. The 2nd series of XUs (XU8, XU10) were a bit heavy, due to their cast iron lump. I've driven a XU8-powered Xsara, and I always felt the engine as a bit "heavy" unless driven in hi-revs. Comparing this XU8 with a XU9J2 shows you the trick : the 'J2 is far more responsive, even under 3k RPM, although it isn't that torquy. The other "unfair" engine was certainly the TU9. 954cc doesn't make a powerful engine, I have to agree with that, but with its 45/50HP he was damn lumpy and used to return far worse MPG than the 1.1 (TU1). Out of that the XU10 was pretty brilliant (a bit heavier of course), loads of torque as they used the increased capacity in this goal. Instead of that, the gearboxes are not that good, remember the BE1 series are a bit stiff to engage 2nd, while BE3 sometimes are a pain to get into reverse. But out of that, both are sharp and fast. Regards, G.T (no expert, not a Pug tech). 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : www.205d.com > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > damn > lumpy and used to return far worse MPG than the 1.1 (TU1). You have a good point, but it's not the engine that is at fault if it is put in a car that is really too big for it, and there have been a few of those. Life was much easier when I bought my first 403: Choice of saloon or estate car, one engine size, four colours IIRC. > Out of that the XU10 was pretty brilliant (a bit heavier of course), loads > of torque as they used the increased capacity in this goal. > > Instead of that, the gearboxes are not that good, remember the BE1 series > are a bit stiff to engage 2nd, while BE3 sometimes are a pain to get into > reverse. But out of that, both are sharp and fast. Apart from the tendency of the 106 to leave bits of its reverse selector in the sump (yes, it was one of those) I have never had trouble with a Peugeot 'box, but they tend to be stiff to begin with. I think a lot of people are fooled by the spring loading to 3 & 4 which is appears to be a hangover from the rather strange gate the old worm drive cars used to use with the steering column change (the best one in the business). One of my other cars is a 1952 Lea-Francis with the gate biased to 1 & 2 which causes a bit of confusion if I am not thinking what I am doing! Keep up the good work Ron Robinson >> Apart from the tendency of the 106 to leave bits of its reverse selector >> in > the sump (yes, it was one of those) I have never had trouble with a > Peugeot 'box, but they tend to be stiff to begin with. Ooops, sorry. For 106 please read 104. It's getting late... Ron Robinson Hi, > You have a good point, but it's not the engine that is at fault if it is put > in a car that is really too big for it, and there have been a few of those. True, but I would have expected some more peps from a 103HP unit. > Life was much easier when I bought my first 403: Choice of saloon or estate > car, one engine size, four colours IIRC. Plus the Diesel engine in 1959 ;-) > the sump (yes, it was one of those) I have never had trouble with a Peugeot > 'box, but they tend to be stiff to begin with. I think a lot of people are Stiff, but not too much, IMO. Some boxes are way too soft for me, you never know when you're in gear or just foolin' around neutral - best example I can think of yet is the Mk1 Megane. > is a 1952 Lea-Francis with the gate biased to 1 & 2 which causes a bit of > confusion if I am not thinking what I am doing! Well, I don't know that car. Have you got any picture ? And BTW, a well known problem on XV series were the camshaft being worn out by the tumblers (spelling ?). Regards, G.T 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : www.205d.com >>>>>>> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except >>>>>>> for [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Ron Robinson we are not talking about sports/racing cars we are talking about peugeot standard engines . Stick to the programme ron ;-).I don't think im the "bee's knee's read the post again .Pay particular attention to the part "im not saying im an expert" bit again just so you understand it fully.Read it again as i didn't say all petrols.I wouldn't even attempt to tell you how to prep a sports/race engine if you have obvious experience in this field.So please don't tell me that my opinions ,generalisations are wrong .v6 good ,most tu engines are ok but are still poor compared to most makes .. >>>>>>> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except >>>>>>> for [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >You may well be right about some engines though - I'd just like to know >which and what exactly you think is wrong with them. your the expert ron don't forget!. Please tell me the good and bad points of the following engines...tu series= tu1,tu3,tu5jp+tu5jp4.. xu series=..xu 7,10. (jp+4's). es9.series=. es9j4, es9a. ew = ew7,ew10,ew12 inc ew10d. ET3 engine,g1 engine... i'll look forward to your opinions (after all everyones entitled to them) best regards mark > your the expert ron don't forget!. Please tell me the good and bad points > of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > everyones > entitled to them) Now that's funny. You're the guy with the factory qualifications, and you started this, so it is actually up to you to back up your original statement. However I will be away for a couple of weeks or so - probably spending them queueing in gas stations across the south west of the US, so I'll leave you to decide whether to justify it to the rest of the group. Suffice it to say that I have had no problems with the petrol engine in any Peugeot that I have owned in the last 45 years, from 403 to 806 via 104, 204, 205(several types),304, 305(ditto), 306XT, 404, 405GTX and 504. That is the basis of my disagreement with your rather sweeping generalisation. Ron Robinson >> your the expert ron don't forget!. Please tell me the good and bad points >> of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > That is the basis of my disagreement with your rather sweeping > generalisation. Now, now children. It will be tears before bedtime, mark my words. ;o)  SignatureKeith Willcocks (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!) >>> your the expert ron don't forget!. Please tell me the good and bad >>> points of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Now, now children. It will be tears before bedtime, mark my words. ;o) You're probably right. It's just that I don't believe that a firm that started building petrol engines in 1889 has never built a good one - not even the 1912 twin cam GP one, which I doubt if our friend has even heard of. All right, I'll go and pick up my rattle now...;-) Ron Robinson >> your the expert ron don't forget!. Please tell me the good and bad points >> of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Ron Robinson you started this remember?... please read your comment "Never? You're a great one for generalisations aren't you? And like most generalisations, it's wrong. And who is this 'we'?" Just because you haven't had any problems doesn't mean they are generally good?? . yes i am the person with the factory qualifications just remember that .Also remember that obviously your older and i'm younger BUT i've probably worked on more peugeots than youv'e had hot dinners .Also don't answer a question with a question when asked to name good and bad points about peugeot engines.The reason why you can't answer is because you don't know (but you think you do) .At the end of the day i have nothing to justify to you.GOD HELP THE U.S watch out mr jobsworths on his way!!!!! > To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except for > the > v6 petrol ,(es9j4).personally i'd stick to the diesels either 2.0 hdi 110 > NOT > the 90 (dw10ated) or 2.2 h.d.i (dw12) regards mark..... Although the HDi90 is a little lightweight compared to the 110, it's fine for a daily commute if you don't have to compete on a racetrack like the A322 Bracknell or A61 Leeds! Mine's done 82k and it's sweet as a nut. Pulls well from 1900 rpm and delivers 47mpg with air con on. However, 4 up and it sucks. It's horses for courses of course. I've found out that I just don't need the power on my daily 26 mile grind both ways... Previous car was Audi A6 2.6 V6 and I don't miss it on my Fosse Way journey in the midlands. Cheers, TJ >> To be honest we have never really made a decent petrol engine except for >> the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > midlands. > Cheers, I think you will find that the Road Tax is a lot cheaper with a 110 than a 90 because of the emission figures. SignatureKeith Willcocks (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!) |
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