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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / April 2007407 HDI 136 - knocking engine.
I have a 407 SW HDI 136 (4K miles) that every so often makes a loud "diesel" knock from the engine even under light throttle - between 1500 & 2000 revs. At same time the engine will hesitate on light throttle - only happens for a few minutes. Problem will then disappear for sometimes a eek - and then come back. Never put wrong fuel in it. 3 trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. Mine does exactly the same, although I have no idea what it is >I have a 407 SW HDI 136 (4K miles) that every so often makes a loud > "diesel" knock from the engine even under light throttle - between 1500 > & 2000 revs. At same time the engine will hesitate on light throttle - > only happens for a few minutes. Problem will then disappear for > sometimes a eek - and then come back. Never put wrong fuel in it. 3 > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. Interesting that Steve. Mine is booked into Peugeot next week but I am convinced they will find absolutely nothing so I really wonder whether it is worth the time. Could be looking for a needle in a haystack. Agree? > Mine does exactly the same, although I have no idea what it is > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > sometimes a eek - and then come back. Never put wrong fuel in it. 3 > > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. I agree totally, have you had the climate control problem yet? > Interesting that Steve. Mine is booked into Peugeot next week but I am > convinced they will find absolutely nothing so I really wonder whether [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > sometimes a eek - and then come back. Never put wrong fuel in it. 3 >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. No - but tell me more - what suprise is waiting for me. Have you had the "cruise control suddenly inoperative" problem yet - that mysteriously goes away when you re-cycle the ignition ! > I agree totally, have you had the climate control problem yet? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 3 > >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. Not had the cruise control problem yet, can't wait................. Anyway the climate control just stops working, i.e. no fan / heater and totally no control over it. All the buttons stop working, you can't even adjust the fan speed or alter the temp. Re-cycle the ignition, still the same, the only way I have found how to sort it is to leave the radio on when you park up forcing the car to go into "Economy mode active". After this point all works OK, until the next time. Peugeot have had the cars 3 times now but cannot find anything wrong with it. What I have to do now is wait for it to act up again and then drive straight into Peugeot and leave the engine running so they can witness it for themselves. (cos they think I'm crackers !!!!) I'll keep you posted Have you had any other problems ? > No - but tell me more - what suprise is waiting for me. Have you had > the "cruise control suddenly inoperative" problem yet - that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> 3 >> >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. I think that all you guys said is software problem, not even electronics. They probably screwed up several "if" functions lol. Can a car be upgraded with new software? Like new drivers? :-) > Not had the cruise control problem yet, can't wait................. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>> 3 >>> >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. Steve No other problems as yet. The shame is Iove the car - I have had lots of Peugeots but never learn my lesson - they always develop a quirky problem that the dealers can't fix. I noticed today that my service indicator now says 2,800 miles to a service, and I have only done 4,700 miles. Is that 'cos its due a free service at 6K or has it just had an electronic stroke! By the way - do you have the colour nav system - if you do - can you make the compass display because desipte the manual I can't find any menu or buttons to make it show. It hides behind the aircon window but is never on display. What joy ! > Not had the cruise control problem yet, can't wait................. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >> 3 > >> >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. > Steve > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What joy ! Mine has never said that. I had my 6000 mile free service last week, and the service indicator was 14k. I love the car too, so it's nice to know what I've got to look forward to. Martin >> Not had the cruise control problem yet, can't wait................. >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> 3 >> >> >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please.  SignatureCreated on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ Well, the dealer has finally seen the problem with the air con. They have had it since last friday !!! They think its either a problem with the aircon panel or the IAC control system !?!?!?!?!?! Anyway they need to see it faut again as they will only replace the part that is actually faulty, not both as I have suggested so I can have my car back !!! I'll keep you updated >> Steve >> [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > Created on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ Its a sad state of affairs - you pay all of this money and they mess you around like this. The more I read on the user groups the more I find out how little some of the dealer network knows. The customer gets a raw deal. Its as though they just don't believe you when you have a fault. Bl**dy shame really because they are great cars. I wait with interest on progress ! > Well, the dealer has finally seen the problem with the air con. They have > had it since last friday !!! [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > Created on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ > Its a sad state of affairs - you pay all of this money and they mess > you around like this. The more I read on the user groups the more I > find out how little some of the dealer network knows. The customer > gets a raw deal. Its as though they just don't believe you when you > have a fault. Bl**dy shame really because they are great cars. I wait > with interest on progress ! It is indeed an appalling state of affairs. Peugeots used to be such good cars with good support. With the newer ones, if you get one with problems then you can be in for the long haul... and Peugeot themselves are next to useless when it comes to helping out (or at least they were in my case). Matt http://www.807faults.co.uk Your website makes disturbing and worrying reading - sounds like you had a bad time. I have had many Peugeots - all of which have had faults that have taken ages and repeated visits to fix. The worst was a 607 that broke down 4 times and I eventually got my money back. The 407SW I have now is great but has had its moments. My real gripe is the customer service, the patronising attitude and the distinct feeling that they never believe you when there is a problem. No surprise Peugeot were right at the bottom of JD Power. review. I would love to start a UK forum as there does not seem to be one - and see what other people feel - although what can be done I do not know. > > Its a sad state of affairs - you pay all of this money and they mess > > you around like this. The more I read on the user groups the more I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.807faults.co.uk > Your website makes disturbing and worrying reading - sounds like you > had a bad time. And still am having :-( But Peugeot find it completely acceptable (or at least refuse to admit that it isn't). I have had many Peugeots - all of which have had > faults that have taken ages and repeated visits to fix. The worst was > a 607 that broke down 4 times and I eventually got my money back. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Peugeot were right at the bottom of JD Power. > review. The worst part is that they don't treat you as a human being who has better things to do than spend all your time getting a car fixed. They simply refuse to accept that a totally unreliable car is more than an interesting engineering challenge; it can (and has) had a huge negative impact on my life over the last three years. Sleepless nights, hours dwelling on it, constant worry, and then they have the barefaced cheek to tell me I should expect problems with a new car. They also absolutely and utterly refuse to accept any criticism of how they work. > I would love to start a UK forum as there does not seem to be > one - and see what other people feel - although what can be done I do > not know. I had considered starting one up - I have the servers to do it, but it can be tough getting a new forum off the ground. I doubt it will have any effect on Peugeot anyway - in my experience they simply refuse to listen to (or respond to) anything that they don't want to hear. By making what has happened to me public, I hope that at least I can save some other poor soul from going through the nightmare I've had (I have put several people I know who were considering the 807 off ever owning a Peugeot, as they have followed my problems with growing amazement). Matt http://www.807faults.co.uk Found a UK user group - Club Peugeot UK - www.clubpeugeotuk.org I joined - takes a few days but they have a very good forum. Worth the £15 joining fee > > Your website makes disturbing and worrying reading - sounds like you > > had a bad time. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > http://www.807faults.co.uk >Not had the cruise control problem yet, can't wait................. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> 3 >>> >> > trips to dealer who keeps saying "no problem". Any ideas please. Hi this climate control problem is known to us. Its usually the c.c. panel its a problem within the unit(software) personally ive done around 3/4 now all ok.... . all the best mark ;-) > I agree totally, have you had the climate control problem yet? What problem is that? I haven't noticed the engine knocking either. I did have the end of the LH indicator stalk fall off. Martin SignatureCreated on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ See SB's message higher up the list for an explanation of the aircon problem. > > I agree totally, have you had the climate control problem yet? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Created on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ Right then........time for an update.... It's rather interesting that Mark B has said its the c.c panel as that is one of the 2 things my dealer has put it down to, but they need to see it fault again before they change anything. So now I have to wait for it to go faulty again and if possible drive it straight to the dealers without switching off the engine, which is not always possible. Mark B............Do you work for Peugeot? If so can I use your comments below as leverage to get my problem fixed ? > See SB's message higher up the list for an explanation of the aircon > problem. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Created on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ >Right then........time for an update.... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> Created on the Iyonix PC - the world's fastest RISC OS computer. >>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/ Hi your dealership seem to be being idiots about the whole situation.Yes i can see their point in wanting to see the fault first, as i myself hate guessing ,as this can cause mis-diagnosis.But sometimes fault/s aren't always apparent i.e. it might take weeks for a fault to re-show itself again.Then you take the vehicle back to the dealership and the fault has gone!!! .This situation can't keep occuring SOMETHING AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE DONE.Even if it means making a logical guess at what it can be then telling the customer i.e.. .. we think the fault is this BUT can't be 100 % as the fault wasn't evident at the time of testing .Even doing this at least an effort is being made to resolve the problem.But your dealership isn't even prepared to try and help you .Or (and in my opinion they should have done this) the dealership can send a E-DIAG (an e-mail) to peugeot technical who will assist them with the problem .If your dealership says you are extremely annoyed that the problem hasn't been resolved (which you are!!) any parts ordered anyway can be claimed back if they don't fix the problem as they have been advised by technical.Like i said previously it sounds like a a.c. control panel (the part what you can see on your vehicle with the heater control switches on) this has the e.c.u. built inside it.i work as a master technician . all the best mark. ....... p.s. if they can't fix it bring it to ours!!! if you live in the midlands....:-) Thanks for that Mark, much appreciated. The fault has not re-occurred yet and the annoying thing is that I took it to them with the fault on and they saw it !!!! Anyway, as for the Midlands I travel to Brum quite a lot and but it's probably not practical, thanks for the offer though !!! Can't wait for it to go faulty again so I can drive it straight into their workshop and leave the engine running demanding that they fix it !!! I'll keep you posted Regards, >>Right then........time for an update.... >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > live > in the midlands....:-) All - when I started this thread I never thought it would create such a response. Finally my 407SW has gone into the dealer for investigation after I "beat them up" in a fax and e-mail after my engine had a manic noisy fit last weekend. Sounded like a tractor. They say they are going to replace the ECU and the BSI and that should fix the other niggles I am having (cruise control, service indicator). They are keeping it 3 days but the consolation is they have lent me a "pocket rocket" - a 206 GTI HDI - so can't complain. Watch this space. Thats good Ian, my dealer has come up with more or less the same prognosis, the BSI !! Whatever that does !! Just got to wait for mine to fault again before they'll do anything though !!! Steve B > All - when I started this thread I never thought it would create such a > response. Finally my 407SW has gone into the dealer for investigation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > keeping it 3 days but the consolation is they have lent me a "pocket > rocket" - a 206 GTI HDI - so can't complain. Watch this space. Steve Here's the rub - they ARE going to replace the BSI and ECU but - and there is always a but, the factory is closed for XMAS and the parts won't be available to mid January - ho hum - no suprise there. And even then it's only and inspired guess on their behalf - the famous diag machine found NO fault - yet as soon as I drove away from the dealership the cruise control reported a fault. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh. Ian J > Thats good Ian, my dealer has come up with more or less the same prognosis, > the BSI !! Whatever that does !! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > keeping it 3 days but the consolation is they have lent me a "pocket > > rocket" - a 206 GTI HDI - so can't complain. Watch this space. Hi Ian, So it's now a competition to see who's gets fixed first !!!! My climate control cocked up again over Xmas, bloody typical as the dealer was shut !!! Grrrrrrrr Steve B > Steve > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > keeping it 3 days but the consolation is they have lent me a "pocket >> > rocket" - a 206 GTI HDI - so can't complain. Watch this space. Hi Steve Got the ECU and BSI fitted now - engine seems really sweet so perhaps there was a problem with the old units/software . Also had the cruise control fixed and the service counter now reads correctly. The MILLION dollar question is - will it last?- I hope so because it now feels like the car I bought and not the one that had a hissy fit at 3,000 miles ! Time will tell but I live in hope. Let me know how your climate control goes Ian J Hi Mate, Glad to hear you are sorted out now, I'm still waiting for the climate control to act up again, it's been fine for about 5-6 weeks now. Just had a re-call come through to book it in to get the water level sensor replaced as they have just discovered that it's porous !!!! Oh and the petrol cap has fell to bits !!!!! Happy days !!! I'll keep posting................. > Hi Steve > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ian J Hey all guess what, when it went in for the recall the climate control started acting up in front of them, so they saw all the hassle I've been having for the last 6 months. Anyway they have replaced the climate control panel and I suppose time will tell > Hi Mate, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Ian J Steve ....only 1 guess - correct - the noise is back on my engine 4 weeks after replacing the bits - it ran fantastically for a month - and now its gone off again. Tonight it happened with 124 miles left on the range, went and filled it up, thrashed it down the motorway for 7 miles and now seems ok again.. Wonder if when the particulate filter recycles and sticks additive in the fuel, it screws it up for a while. Anway - a strong threatening fax to the dealer - and we'll see. Time for a row and a refund? Watch this space Ian > Hey all guess what, when it went in for the recall the climate control > started acting up in front of them, so they saw all the hassle I've been [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > >> Ian J Steve ....only 1 guess - correct - the noise is back on my engine 4 weeks after replacing the bits - it ran fantastically for a month - and now its gone off again. Tonight it happened with 124 miles left on the range, went and filled it up, thrashed it down the motorway for 7 miles and now seems ok again.. Wonder if when the particulate filter recycles and sticks additive in the fuel, it screws it up for a while. Anway - a strong threatening fax to the dealer - and we'll see. Time for a row and a refund? Watch this space Ian > Hey all guess what, when it went in for the recall the climate control > started acting up in front of them, so they saw all the hassle I've been [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > >> Ian J Sorry to hear that mate, hope you get it sorted.............again.......... Mine's been fine since but I'll give it a few more weeks yet........ Good luck > Steve > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> >> >> >> Ian J Hi Guys, I fell over this thread board during a search for the peugeot engine problem.. .. Nice to see (or not for us) that i'm not the only one with this damn engine problem. My car is the 1.6 HDi 110 and the engine has the same problem. Onlt it goes quiet when it hessitates during light acceleration , normally between 1600- 2000 rpm. But i also get it if the car is left to slow down in gear on a motorway for a while, then come to accelerate. That seem to really make to throw a wobble. The last time i took it in, then engineer gave me some cock and bull about the particulate system, saying the miss was just the system clearing it self out. The updated the software and its still the same. Be nice to know how many owners have this problem ! Message for Mark B.....where's your garage, i'm in Stoke so not a million miles away? cheers Ian |
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