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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / December 2005406 Pulley breaking up in timing cover.
I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said it was common. Has anyone on here experienced such a problem??? It was a new one on me! Not sure which one, I was assuming it was the crankshaft pulley. Djimbo > I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about > one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Djimbo NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE,THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN IS SOME ONE HAS BEEN HITTING IT BEFORE WITH A HEAVY HAMMER, I had a pulley break up on my 2.1td 406. I was lucky in that when I started driving the car one morning, the power steering seemed very heavy. I drove straight to my local garage, when we looked under the bonnet, there was smoke coming from the timing belt area. It was the timing belt burning away, so I was lucky not to have driven far. Cheers Neil D >I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about >one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Djimbo >I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about >one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Djimbo Hi on h.d.i's this is EXTREMELY COMMON due to the double damping part of the pulley breaking up.But on a 1.9 engine never heard of it as its a solid pulley with a rubber damper in-built.personally i thinks its the 2.0 hdi you are refering to ..all the best mark. >>I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about >>one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > you > are refering to ..all the best mark. Cheers Mark. That sounds like the problem, I'm feeling a bit of a burk now, it was the HDi engine we were discussing, which of course isn't 1900 anymore doh! What are the symptoms from a drivers point of view when they start to go, and is it an expensive job? rgds. djimbo. >>>I was down the local garage the other week and he had a horror story about >>>one of the timing end pulleys breaking up on the 1900 diesel engine. Said [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >rgds. >djimbo. I have just changed one on a mates 406HDI. Rattling noise around 1800RPM going up the range and especially coming down. Can be heard on idle when cold, especially when the air/con compressor is on. When you look down on the pulley you can see shiny bits around the mounting bolt, and lots of meatl filings all around. New one costs £145 ish from Peugeot 0r £120 ish from Citroen!! Same part, same box, same part number. >>What are the symptoms from a drivers point of view when they start to go, >>and is it an expensive job? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > from Peugeot 0r £120 ish from Citroen!! Same part, same box, same part > number. Thanks for the info Nigel. I didn't tell the whole story. I took the car in for a partial exhaust change (The big expensive bit) When it came back it had symptoms identical to those described here. (even down to rattling when the A/C is switched on) which I thought may just be a heat shield bolting problem or something relating to the exhaust.. It was running smooth as a nut when it went in. Worryingly on taking it back to find nothing obviously amiss with the exhaust I had the discussion with the garage owner about pulley problems, he claimed he'd fitted three in the last month. No-one would swap an old one onto a motor just to screw a couple of hundred for re-fitting the origional surely? Would it be likely to be provable one way or the other? djimbo > Thanks for the info Nigel. > I didn't tell the whole story. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the origional surely? > Would it be likely to be provable one way or the other? Surely it would take a bit of time and effort to fit an old one to an engine? At least as much in terms of labour as fitting a new one so therefore probably not worth doing. I would be very much inclined to suspect the exhaust system first. Can you get a second opinion/independent analysis from another garage?  SignatureMalc "I'm glad you asked me twice. You see, I am a bilingual. A bilingual illiterate. I can't read in two languages." > Surely it would take a bit of time and effort to fit an old one to an > engine? At least as much in terms of labour as fitting a new one so > therefore probably not worth doing. I would be very much inclined to > suspect the exhaust system first. Can you get a second opinion/independent > analysis from another garage? I sincerely hope you're right Malc, I'm just a suspicious old Hector. Particularly when the symptoms only just started and exactly matched a problem the garage owner felt the urge to fill me in on in great detail. Also to assure me that it wasn't uncommon at that milleage and find no apparant problem with what should have been a fairly simple exhaust change. I do have it booked in in Jan to a specialist garage I know, a little further from home. It's even possible they checked/changed this pulley when they did the cambelt less than 10K back. Fingers crossed. Djimbo > I sincerely hope you're right Malc, I'm just a suspicious old Hector. > Particularly when the symptoms only just started and exactly matched a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cambelt less than 10K back. > Fingers crossed. I hope I'm right too. <makes usual disclaimer.> Though it does seem a bit suspicious, I still think it would cost as much to do the bodge as to do the proper repair so I can't see what they would gain, apart from a bit of profit on the new pulley. Unless they took the rocker cover off, mangled the pulley and replaced the cover. Can you see any screws that look as though they may have been removed? SignatureMalc "I'm glad you asked me twice. You see, I am a bilingual. A bilingual illiterate. I can't read in two languages." >> Surely it would take a bit of time and effort to fit an old one to an >> engine? At least as much in terms of labour as fitting a new one so [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Djimbo I will say that if you are going to wait till Jan to get it fixed to use it as little as possibe. If it oes actually break up, then you run the risk of the auxilliary belt going inside the cambelt cover and the cambelt jumping teeth. That could well end up with major engine damage!! Just to add. My mates car didn't suddenly get very noisy. It built up in volume over two months. And toward the end it was obvious it wasn't the exhaust just by sticking your head down by the cambelt cover!!! >>> Surely it would take a bit of time and effort to fit an old one to an >>> engine? Thanks for the advice nigel & Malc. I'll get back with the answers after xmas ;-) If my worst fears are correct, I hope this one has a couple of months left in it. Djimbo. >>>What are the symptoms from a drivers point of view when they start to go, >>>and is it an expensive job? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >djimbo I hope not! That would be one sad garage. I suppose it's possible, it would only take 1/2 an hour to do. Unfortunately, not provable really. They do go with depressing regularity. You might just have to bite the bullet with this one!! |
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