>> But I think the 407 9which I have with the 136bhp version is much the
>> same. With a cold engine the fuel consumption is very high...
>
> But diesel engine economy isn't affected by engine temperature - unlike
> petrol engines, they don't use more fuel when cold.
Well, that certainly isn't my experience. It's true that I don't
suffer the loss of power with a cold engine that happens with petrol
engines, but when you think about it, the energy to heat up the engine
block, oil and coolant to working temperature must come from burning
fuel, even with a diesel.
I would also suggest that diesel engines take longer to fully warm up,
but they drive just a well when cold.
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Chris Hodges - 14 Feb 2006 20:02 GMT
>>But diesel engine economy isn't affected by engine temperature - unlike
>>petrol engines, they don't use more fuel when cold.
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> block, oil and coolant to working temperature must come from burning
> fuel, even with a diesel.
But if this is waste heat that won't matter.
> I would also suggest that diesel engines take longer to fully warm up,
> but they drive just a well when cold.
On many diesels there's simply more to heat up - heavier block, bigger
engine for the size of car, etc.

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Rob Jones - 14 Feb 2006 22:55 GMT
>>>But diesel engine economy isn't affected by engine temperature - unlike
>>>petrol engines, they don't use more fuel when cold.
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> On many diesels there's simply more to heat up - heavier block, bigger
> engine for the size of car, etc.
The reason a diesel takes longer to warm up is that they are are much more
efficient than petrol and therefore less fuel burnt means less thermo
dynamic heat being produced.
Petrol in a cold engine is at a much higher ratio than when its at normal
running temperature therefore more fuel in more heat out... simple physics
really
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Nom - 15 Feb 2006 09:09 GMT
>>> But I think the 407 9which I have with the 136bhp version is much the
>>> same. With a cold engine the fuel consumption is very high...
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>>
> Well, that certainly isn't my experience.
Well, that's how it is :)
I imagine that your journeys with a cold engine, are fairly short stop-start
trips through town or whatever. It's this continuous accelerating and
braking that ruins your economy - if you took your car for a trip up the
motorway, you'd find it consumed almost exactly the same amount of fuel
whether the engine was hot or cold.
> It's true that I don't
> suffer the loss of power with a cold engine that happens with petrol
> engines, but when you think about it, the energy to heat up the engine
> block, oil and coolant to working temperature must come from burning
> fuel, even with a diesel.
Ah, but that exact same heat is still being produced once your engine is
warm ! The "heating power" is always being used - it doesn't just cease once
the engine is warm :)
> I would also suggest that diesel engines take longer to fully warm up,
> but they drive just a well when cold.
That's because they're more efficient than Petrol engines.