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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / April 200691 405 High Idle
when starting, idles HIGH (almost 3000 RPM) for about 10 minutes, then backs down to 2000 RPM for the next half hour? ECM has to be reprogrammed? air temp sensor? thanks, johninmaine johninmaine wrote in message <1142988909.206537.158300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>... >when starting, idles HIGH (almost 3000 RPM) for about 10 minutes, then >backs down to 2000 RPM for the next half hour? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >thanks, johninmaine High probability that the idle control valve needes replacing. mine plays up after a long run but is ok cold. Pull off the hoses and see if it makes a difference. Bob ...good idea, ...but still seems to me something with the computer or air sensor. because right before this problem i had pulled the bosch comp and some other fuses, looking to fix a heat problem. the idle arm and throttle body are ok i think...but ill ask my mechanic to look at the "IDLE CONTROL VALVE" and the hoses... thanks -- john the mechanic today found bad coolant seal on the motor. this was the reason why it was taking so much coolant and the coolant temp sensor was sensing "hot" coolant. so, this is the start. we'll see what happens, next we are going to clean the idle control valve. johninmain 91 405 DL 80kmiles FOR SALE , the above peugeot Hi, > 91 405 DL 80kmiles US model ? Regards, G.T 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : www.205d.com yes, US Model 405 DL, 80k miles, new exhaust, brakes, Auto, AC, "Mom's Car" , Original Owners, White, Grey Interior, ...is for sale...207 664 0594 Hi John, > yes, US Model 405 DL, 80k miles, new exhaust, brakes, Auto, > AC, "Mom's Car" , Original Owners, White, Grey Interior, AFAIK; the DL was the low trimming model in the US 405 range... Seems it was pretty well equiped anyway. Here I come with some questions : - Any pics for my personnal collection (mail address valid) ? - Were you happy with the car itself, about reliability, handling, comfort... ? - How do you get parts, are there many mechanics which agree for working on such cars (which seems far away from the late-80's US standards) ? > ...is for sale...207 664 0594 I would have been interrested if I was living in the USA :-( But having a '88 405 here is pretty fine :-) Regards, G.T 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : www.205d.com hi GT, i can send you a few pics, but to see the car is the real picture, its in perfect condition no joke -- i even wax around the shock towers and the rest of the motor -- reliability -- 7 out 10 , but its been meticulously maintained...so for example you could have a 84 Ford Escort with same miles and same Reliability... Handling -- 6 out of 10, but doesnt have the best tires...steering is GOOD to EXCELLENT...braking is better than i thought, it doesn't lock up or jack up in the rear very easy.....but higher speed highway passing, i don't put it to the limit ---too many DEER up here in Maine -- CURVES, good BUMPS EXCELLENT Comfort -- 7 out of 10 seats good, but the seats aren't super -advanced ergonomically, like a saab or mercedes... TO GET PARTS---> we go through a mechanic in NewJersey near to NY...he has quite a few older Peugeots left and has done ALL the work on the car...or we have to get them from FRANCE.... for example --> to redo the brakes, we needed rotors from Boston, Calipers from California and discs from NewHampshire... to make a long story short....I try and drive as little as I can!! hahaha take care -- johninmaine Hi John, > hi GT, i can send you a few pics, but to see the car is the real > picture, its > in perfect condition no joke -- i even wax around the shock towers and > the rest > of the motor Errr... These cars usually stay in good condition. I use to wash my car (Pug 205, not exported to the US, imagine a car the same size as a VW Golf Mk2), also around the shock towers, but never the engine, as it doesn't really get dirty. > TO GET PARTS---> we go through a mechanic in NewJersey near to NY...he > has quite a few older Peugeots left and has done ALL the work on the > car...or we have to get them from FRANCE.... > for example --> to redo the brakes, we needed rotors from Boston, > Calipers from California and discs from NewHampshire... Ouch... My mechanic sometimes works on an old Mercury (I don't know the exact model), it's almost the same. Thanks for the feedback ! The only one thing I know from the Maine is... Stephen King :-) Regards, G.T 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : www.205d.com ...by the way i believe we have somewhat fixed the high idle problem...the mechanic found a bad antifreeze gasket on motor so it was slowly leaking out. its complicated but we believe this was throwing off the whole system... also it needed a new water pump. so, if you have these HIGH IDLE problems even in warm weather don't forget to check this COOLANT SEAL, then the IDLE CONTROL VALVE (CLEAN IT), then the temp sensor, and then maybe RESETTING the computer... ill let you know if it stays LOW IDLE after its done. p.s. it also needed a water pump. Hi, > found a bad antifreeze gasket on motor so it was slowly leaking out. > its complicated but we believe this was throwing off the whole > system... That was a "vicious" fail ! Resetting the ECU is pretty easy, AFAIK you just have to disconnect the battery for two hours. I don't know the exact type of ECU, the Jetronic doesn't need such a reset, as it's no computer. > p.s. it also needed a water pump. And so a new cambelt & tensionners I suppose. Regards, G.T 205 Diesel & turbo-Diesel : www.205d.com > Resetting the ECU is pretty easy, AFAIK you just have to disconnect the > battery for two hours. ----------- thanks, ill tell the mechanic to do that also at night, just so everything gets reset properly with the new coolant seal.... > I don't know the exact type of ECU, the Jetronic doesn't need such a reset, > as it's no computer. **********> i believe it is a bosch jetronic but not sure, haven't looked at it for a few months,... > > p.s. it also needed a water pump. > And so a new cambelt & tensionners I suppose. **********> not sure, the mechanic hasn't got back to me about that, ....after he told me it needed a new water pump , i read that the timing belt should be replaced since you're pulling it off anyways....but then, i read that if the timing belt is less than 20k miles, just leave it on if you are a "low mileage" driver....and, that's true for me, i only drive about 100 miles a week, whereas years ago i used to drive 300 miles a day....i don't think this car could take 300 miles a day like my mazda 323 hatchback did!! but, it will be fine for the next 30 or 40k....i retired (gave) my mazda 323 HB 4 speed manual to my brother at 290k miles on the original trans and 2nd clutch!! i did however pull the motor and put in a new block, etc.... ok--- ill let you know when i get it back, as of right now im using a 78 Ford truck, which isn't so bad either.... johninmaine ...just wanted to update the internet database for this Peugeot 91 405 DL "High Idle" problem. originally, the car was idling at 3000rpm for 30 minutes even on warm days. first problem was the coolant gasket on the motor was shot. replaced that. this was why it was using so much coolant. the mechanic put in coolant and immediately the idle went down. checked idle control valve, this was ok and clean. checked engine codes, everything ok. water pump was shot, replaced this. timing belt replaced (because you have to take it off anyways for the water pump) idle cable at front of motor, ok. topped all coolant, trans fluid, pw fluid, etc. with a flathead screwdriver, at the idle cable area....adjust the idle so that it sits at 800rmp. its the first nearest hole to the cable, you'd think its just a mounting, but its a screw that actually adjusts the idle speed. ECU computer, ok....i read here on the internet that the ECU doesn't control "cold start"....so we ruled this out also... ... so, bottom line looks like the REAL problem was coolant gasket on the bottom of the motor. secondly, problem the weak water pump was affecting it a little also. Hope this helps all the Peugeot owners out there... you can email me: jheida2@yahoo.com 91 405 DO 87,000 miles...white, gray interior, AT,AC |
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