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Car Forum / Peugeot Cars / January 2004

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Engine stops on return to idle (106)

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David New - 19 Jan 2004 23:14 GMT
Sometimes in cold weather my engine will start but it won't idle after
I've used the accelerator. It started doing this last winter and the
problem has appeared again now it's got colder.

I believe it has to do with the idle speed stepper motor cutting off
it's airflow at the wrong time. When the engine is operating normally
this valve sounds like it is staying open when the accelerator is
pressed. However, when the engine is misbehaving this valve closes
when the accelarator is pressed, when the accelarator is released the
valve doesn't open in time and the engine stops.

I can get it working again by unplugging the stepper motor plug and
plugging it back in again. This only works when the engine is running.
I guess doing this resets the ECU in some way.

The car is a Peugeot 106 Rallye 98K miles with a Magneti Marreli 8P
ECU

I have measured the output of the coolant temperature sensor, the
speed sensor and the throttle position sensor and they seem fairy
sensible. I have recently changed the HT leads and the spark plugs,
and put some injector cleaner in. The vacuum pipes seem ok. I have
also sprayed some carb cleaner into one of the idle control air inlets
but I don't know if it did much.

Does anybody have any ideas what may be going on?
Simon - 22 Jan 2004 18:56 GMT
take off the motor and clean it. it may help. ?70 new

> Sometimes in cold weather my engine will start but it won't idle after
> I've used the accelerator. It started doing this last winter and the
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> Does anybody have any ideas what may be going on?
Andy Clements - 22 Jan 2004 23:29 GMT
mine wasn't a Rallye, but had a similar prblem.
Turned out to be a design fault on some early models, the fuel system cut
down too quickly, done under waranty by a Pug dealer , there was some sort
of damper fitted to cure it.

> take off the motor and clean it. it may help. ?70 new
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> > Does anybody have any ideas what may be going on?
David New - 23 Jan 2004 09:24 GMT
Andy

That's interesting, maybe it's worth taking it to the dealer.

Do you know where the damper was fitted? was it an electrical or mechanical part?

Dave

> mine wasn't a Rallye, but had a similar prblem.
> Turned out to be a design fault on some early models, the fuel system cut
> down too quickly, done under waranty by a Pug dealer , there was some sort
> of damper fitted to cure it.
Simon - 23 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT
that is the stepper motor  and clean it

> take off the motor and clean it. it may help. ?70 new
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> > Does anybody have any ideas what may be going on?
David New - 24 Jan 2004 10:20 GMT
Simon

I've already taken the stepper motor off and it looks clean. I can
hear the stepper motor working beacause I can hear the rush of air
through the valve when it opens. Though possibly it isn't working fast
enough

Dave

> that is the stepper motor  and clean it
Banjo - 26 Jan 2004 06:54 GMT
>Simon
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>> that is the stepper motor  and clean it

Had the same problem with my 1996 405STI.
Replacement stepper Idler motor cured the problem.
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Pete Patterson
Henderson
Waitakere City
New Zealand
pde_pat@removedashihug.co.nz

 
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