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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Firebird / April 2005

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1974 455 Rebuild

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HoDad - 15 Apr 2005 01:42 GMT
Well, I finished my project a couple of days ago.  Took just over 4 weeks to
go through the engine and transmission.  I had a local shop do the tranny,
and I had a Stage 2 shift kit installed along with an Allison 18-2100 stall
converter.  They said the transmission had some sludge in it and third gear
was about gone, but no metal shavings to speak of.  (My '74 TA has 69,400
original miles on it.)  Inside the engine, I found the #4 connecting rod
bearing to be a little rough, but the crank only had a couple of very minor
scatches on it so only needed polishing.  The cylinder bores had very little
wear and only needed honed.  I built the engine myself.  I installed a
Melling high volume oil pump, Comp Cams 268 Extreme Energy cam with lifters,
and a high volume water pump.  I put my 4X heads aside for storage, and had
a set of 1978 6X #4 heads rebuilt with new guides, hardened seats, new
springs and BB Chevy rocker studs.  I have Hooker Competition headers and
Flowmaster 2 1/2" dual exhaust to finish it off.  The biggest pain in the
a.s in the rebuild had to be putting the headers back on.  Hopefully I will
never have to mess with them again.

After my initial cam break-in, I took it for a short easy drive.  Doesn't
take much throttle to get the old girl moving now!  After that drive, I
found I had an oil leak at the back of the engine.  I could only think that
I had screwed up the rope seal, and that meant a major pain to repair.  Upon
closer inspection, I found that the leak was from the back of the oil pan.
I had to drop the pan, (all of 1 inch), and replace the gaskets.  I found
the the rear neoprene seal had split lengthwise about an inch at the bottom
of the rear main.  I can only guess that I had snugged all the pan bolts
down, then tightened the bolts at the timing chain cover, which pulled the
pan forward and stretched the rear seal.  I took it for another short drive
after replacing the pan gaskets, and no more leak.

I plan on taking it out to the drag strip sometime this summer after I put a
few hundred miles on it.  I will let you all know then how much of an
improvement I got for all my work.  My total cost for the engine and
transmission rebuilds was right at $3,000, and numerous cuts and scrapes on
my hands and arms. ;^)
Here's some links to a few pictures.

HD

http://webpages.charter.net/gallen541/Engine%20Before.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/gallen541/Engine%20After.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/gallen541/Engine%20After1.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/gallen541/TA10.jpg

(hope these work!)
HoDad - 15 Apr 2005 03:49 GMT
> http://webpages.charter.net/gallen541/Engine%20Before.jpg
>
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>
> (hope these work!)

That last link doesn't seem to work.  Let's try this one.  Just a picture of
my car.

http://webpages.charter.net/gallen541/TA10.JPG

HD
Dennis Smith - 15 Apr 2005 05:05 GMT
>After my initial cam break-in, I took it for a short easy drive.  Doesn't
>take much throttle to get the old girl moving now!  After that drive, I
>found I had an oil leak at the back of the engine.  

I had the same problem with my friends '74 T/A.  Everything went well but a
leak at the back of the engine showed up.  I pulled the engine again and
installed new oil pan gaskets and installed the rubber seal around the main
cap dry this time around.  Seems to have a much tighter fit.  Maybe I'll get
everything back together tomorrow and see if I still have a leak(I better
NOT!!)  Pontiac had problems with the three finger seal which is why it was
only around for a couple years.  They blow out easily from crankcase pressure.

Watch that rear rope seal on your engine.  Due to federal regulations the new
ones don't have an asbestos core and don't last very long.  Its causing a BIG
PROBLEM with engines that use rope seals.  I went with a BOP Engineering viton
rear main seal that is made for Pontiacs.

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    _________________________________________________________________
    Dennis Smith                            

    -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
    -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
    -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
    _________________________________________________________________

Dennis Smith - 15 Apr 2005 05:12 GMT
>Well, I finished my project a couple of days ago.  

I was just looking at the picture of the engine in the car. The vacuum lines
don't look right.  There isn't suppose to be a rubber line running down the
drivers side.  Its attached to the port on the carb for the charcoal canister.
The TVS on intake has a rubber line on the top port which is for the vacuum
door in the air cleaner.   I got a '74 vacuum routing diagram I can e-mail if
you need it.

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    _________________________________________________________________
    Dennis Smith                            

    -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
    -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
    -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
    _________________________________________________________________

HoDad - 15 Apr 2005 13:50 GMT
> >Well, I finished my project a couple of days ago.
>
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> door in the air cleaner.   I got a '74 vacuum routing diagram I can e-mail if
> you need it.

Dennis,
That vacuum line you are referring to goes to the vacuum advance on the
distributor.  That is how it has been routed since I got the car in 1980.  I
will check the vacuum line routing again.  I have the factory service
manual.  Is the diagram in the manual?  I would look now, but am on my way
out the door to work. :^(
HD
Dennis Smith - 15 Apr 2005 17:19 GMT
>Dennis,
>That vacuum line you are referring to goes to the vacuum advance on the
>distributor.  That is how it has been routed since I got the car in 1980.  I
>will check the vacuum line routing again.  I have the factory service
>manual.  Is the diagram in the manual?  I would look now, but am on my way
>out the door to work. :^(

The vacuum diagram is in the '74 Emissions Service and Diagnostic book which
is separate from the normal service manual.  There is also a diagram in the
Pontiac master parts book that the dealership parts department used.

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    _________________________________________________________________
    Dennis Smith                            

    -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
    -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
    -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
    _________________________________________________________________

HoDad - 16 Apr 2005 01:03 GMT
> The vacuum diagram is in the '74 Emissions Service and Diagnostic book which
> is separate from the normal service manual.  There is also a diagram in the
> Pontiac master parts book that the dealership parts department used.

Dennis,
I did find the emission control diagram in the factory service manual,
(section 6D), and it is also in the emissions control pamphlet that is in
the glove box. (I was lucky that all of the original paper work and manuals
were left in the glove box.  I even have the original warranty with the
buyers name and address on it, along with the dealers name, address and date
of sale.)  I will probably leave the lines hooked up the way they are now
for awhile, and put them back to factory configuration at a later date and
see if there is a noticeable change in idle or performance.  Thanks for the
heads up on this.
HD
Dennis Smith - 16 Apr 2005 08:10 GMT
>I will probably leave the lines hooked up the way they are now
>for awhile, and put them back to factory configuration at a later date and
>see if there is a noticeable change in idle or performance.  Thanks for the
>heads up on this.

The way you have it hooked up now is how it was pre-emissions days which is
more geared towards performance anyway.  The way the '74 was set up is to only
provide vacuum advance when the engine was warmed up and in high gear or
overheated.  

Its kind of neat how it works.  When the engine is cooled off some but still
warm and started it idles right around 1000 RPM until the 30 second delay
relay on the firewall closes and then it goes down to normal idle speed.  Its
almost like its computer controlled.  High tech, 1970's style!

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    _________________________________________________________________
    Dennis Smith                            

    -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
    -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
    -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
    _________________________________________________________________

Charles Bendig - 15 Apr 2005 19:16 GMT
> Well, I finished my project a couple of days ago.  

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Now that you Got-R-Done (lol), and spring has aravied. You should go out
and rack up some miles, burn a little rubber, maybe hit the drag strip.

Beleave me, there is nothing better then a clean car, with a freash
driveline on a summers evening after a hard days work. Especially for
crusin home in. Gets you there in a better mood.
Charles
HoDad - 16 Apr 2005 00:57 GMT
> Now that you Got-R-Done (lol), and spring has aravied. You should go out
> and rack up some miles, burn a little rubber, maybe hit the drag strip.
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> crusin home in. Gets you there in a better mood.
> Charles

Damn straight, Charles!  And I'll be grinning all the way!!

HD
 
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