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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Firebird / September 2005wil the camaro 2.8 5 spd work on v8 ?
a lot of people are saying the 6 cyl and v8 will interchange transmissions, but the tranny will be weaker. Please let me know. I am trying to get a 5spd for my v8 bird but can't find one....the only ones out there are the stupid v6 2.8's ..if thats all I can find then so be it. > a lot of people are saying the 6 cyl and v8 will interchange >transmissions, but the tranny will be weaker. Please let me know. I am >trying to get a 5spd for my v8 bird but can't find one....the only ones out >there are the stupid v6 2.8's ..if thats all I can find then so be it. Have you done a search on T-5 rebuilders. Here's one guy that I use for my rebuild kits. Very knowledable in manual transmissions. Ed Hartnett 4 Speeds 242 Penbroke Ave. Lansdowne, Pa. 19050 (610) 623-9381 ...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert I don't have a t5 tranny so I was going to use a v6 tranny till I found one .. Will the v6 tranny work ?.. I know it is not as strong but its not like I have 400hp... >> a lot of people are saying the 6 cyl and v8 will interchange >>transmissions, but the tranny will be weaker. Please let me know. I am [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 88' Firebird Formula > 00' Mustang GT Vert >I don't have a t5 tranny so I was going to use a v6 tranny till I found >one .. Will the v6 tranny work ?.. I know it is not as strong but its not >like I have 400hp... The T-5 IS a transmission from a v6 firebird. I was unaware it was called the t-5. I guess I can get it rebuilt.. Thanx guys.you saved me a headache >>I don't have a t5 tranny so I was going to use a v6 tranny till I found >>one .. Will the v6 tranny work ?.. I know it is not as strong but its not >>like I have 400hp... > > The T-5 IS a transmission from a v6 firebird. >>I don't have a t5 tranny so I was going to use a v6 tranny till I found >>one .. Will the v6 tranny work ?.. I know it is not as strong but its not >>like I have 400hp... > >The T-5 IS a transmission from a v6 firebird. True but not totally true. T-5s are in most Third gen F-bodies that came away with a gear stick. The exceptions are I believe the 82' models, which came with T-4s. I don't have any concrete specs on the differences between V-6 and V-8 applications but judging from GMs past, I'd go the route of caution with using a tranny out of a V-6 car. In fact what the OP is really looking for would be an 88' or newer World Class T-5 which are slightly stronger than the older models. ...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert found that out just after your post. They gernade under heavy load and speed shifting. >>>I don't have a t5 tranny so I was going to use a v6 tranny till I found >>>one .. Will the v6 tranny work ?.. I know it is not as strong but its [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 88' Firebird Formula > 00' Mustang GT Vert >True but not totally true. T-5s are in most Third gen F-bodies that >came away with a gear stick. The exceptions are I believe the 82' >models, which came with T-4s. '82s had Borg Warner Super T10s and Saginaw 4-speeds. They were probably the weakest designed and used 3.42 first gears to help the anemic engines get the car moving. I don't think the T-4 was used until '83 or '84.  Signature_________________________________________________________________ Dennis Smith -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe- -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red- -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero- _________________________________________________________________ >>True but not totally true. T-5s are in most Third gen F-bodies that >>came away with a gear stick. The exceptions are I believe the 82' [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I don't think the T-4 was used until '83 or '84. Super T-10's are good transmission. Charles > Super T-10's are good transmission. Yes they are ... except for the very late models. There were actually problems with the bearing mid plate stretching. As with many things in the late 70's/early 80's. Quality was down ... and so was power. Signature_________________________________________________________________ Dennis Smith -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe- -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red- -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero- _________________________________________________________________ >> Super T-10's are good transmission. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As with many things in the late 70's/early 80's. Quality was down ... and so > was power. The 70's & 80's had many good body styles. The power trains didn't get really good untill the mid 90's. Well let me amend that, it's damn hard to choke a 454 with a q-jet to where it has no torque (yea yea it's a truck engine). Now if only that new fangled GTO came with 475 HP, and a real GTO look. Charles >>True but not totally true. T-5s are in most Third gen F-bodies that >>came away with a gear stick. The exceptions are I believe the 82' [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I don't think the T-4 was used until '83 or '84. Remember that the transmissions in the 3rd gen cars have something like a 18º or 22º kant to them to fit in the tranny tunnel. I think that the T-4 is the 4 speed that was standard in these cars. In 83' the T-5 was an option for the plane janes but a factory part for the Berlinettas and Z28s. Besides, how would they have set up the shifting linkage at and angle and with no room to play with? It would have had to have been a top loader type transmission. ...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert >Remember that the transmissions in the 3rd gen cars have something >like a 18º or 22º kant to them to fit in the tranny tunnel. I think >that the T-4 is the 4 speed that was standard in these cars. 1982 Firebirds and Camaros did indeed use Borg Warner T10 and Saganaw transmissions. Do a search on the net and you'll get many hits on the subject. They are actually one year only transmissions as the tail housings have a provision for mounting the torque arm that was used on 3rd-gens. There is a lot of 2nd-gen engineering and design that was passed onto the early 3rd-gens. '82-83 F-bodies use a mechanical clutch linkage(Z-bar and rods) Most people think 3rd-gens have always had a hydraulic clutch. Signature_________________________________________________________________ Dennis Smith -1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe- -1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red- -1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero- _________________________________________________________________ Yeah... such as part of the front suspension.. 3rd gens still have the holes where the 2nd gens had their struts.. right? -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L auto w/T-tops 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L auto w/T-tops 1985 Brown Firebird 5.7L (360) 5-speed w/o T-tops Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A w/T-tops.. or parts from one. >1982 Firebirds and Camaros did indeed use Borg Warner T10 and Saganaw >transmissions. Do a search on the net and you'll get many hits on the subject. I was wrong, thanks. I read something about them being a second design T-10. Didn't understand it, maybe you know if there are differences in the 82' transmission versus T-10s and Super T-10s. Maybe they had smaller shafts? >They are actually one year only transmissions as the tail housings have a >provision for mounting the torque arm that was used on 3rd-gens. > >There is a lot of 2nd-gen engineering and design that was passed onto the early >3rd-gens. '82-83 F-bodies use a mechanical clutch linkage(Z-bar and rods) Most >people think 3rd-gens have always had a hydraulic clutch. This I did know since my buddies 83' had the mechanical clutch assembly. ...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert > a lot of people are saying the 6 cyl and v8 will interchange > transmissions, but the tranny will be weaker. Please let me know. I am > trying to get a 5spd for my v8 bird but can't find one....the only ones out > there are the stupid v6 2.8's ..if thats all I can find then so be it. . The differance between I-4, V6 & V8 T-5 is the bell housing. Which are removable. I-4 & most V6 use the same bellhosuing bolt patern. 4.3 V6 & V8 use the same bellhousing bolt pattern. F-car T-5's use a slighly different case & bellhousing. The bell housing puts the transmission at a angel, and the case has the shift at a angel. Any good transmission shop can repair/rebuild a T-5 for you. Including upgraded internials. If you really want a heavy duty 5 speed, you can buy a richmond 5-speed from jegs or summit. Charles The V8 and V6/I4 5-speed (T-5) transmissions are not interchangeable. The V8 transmission has a larger 26 spline input shaft and the bellhousing bolt patterns are different. As others have said, the newer V8 T-5's are better than the older ones. Make it interesting and swap in a T56 6-speed from a '93+ car. They're probably more common anyways. I don't have the original post so I'll just insert my $.02 here. Check out http://www.5speeds.com/. Go to the Online Forums tab under the support heading. They appear to have a wealth of information. >The V8 and V6/I4 5-speed (T-5) transmissions are not interchangeable. >The V8 transmission has a larger 26 spline input shaft and the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Make it interesting and swap in a T56 6-speed from a '93+ car. They're >probably more common anyways. |
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