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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Firebird / January 2006

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Firebird V8 question from a Newbi.

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WombatPPC-NEWS - 15 Jan 2006 08:59 GMT
Hi folks, Im new to this qroup.

Just bought my self a Firebird Trans-am 1982/3 shape like Knight Rider.(This
time last year)
Ive been doing a conversion into a KITT Replica, and so far have repainted
it.
There is some photos of it on my website in the gallery section. Will add
some more soon.
Its My first Yank and first V8. Never gone past the K16 model 1.4 before.!!

My question is.
The Distributor cap. the coil in cap type with the 3 prong connector and
round carbon button.
Can you buy just the carbon button and rubber bush.? as mines worn out. and
wont start now.
Ive got a spark and compresion on all 8 cylinders are around 10 bar in the
green. but the darn thing wont start at all.
I had it Ruff Ideling and then it just died like it sometimes does. Then it
just would not start again.
I thought Id blown a valve or poped the headgasket at first, but after
checking the compression of each cylinder I found that it is ok.
And that was a pain in the a.s to do ill tell ya.!!   All that size and no
flamin room to move!

Ive read that there is a Pre-heater under the Carb and its controled via a
relay, that is controled by the ecu. acording to my haynes.
It just doesnt say were the bloomin relay is on the car. Ive not tried to
back trace it yet, but any help on this none starting trouble is most
welcome.
The carb type is an E4ME Type acording to Haynes.
And the Engine is a V8 but Im not sure which one as such.
Anyone else here think that the Haynes manual does not give you enough darn
information. !! :-/

Regards
WombatPPC.

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RSCamaro - 15 Jan 2006 15:00 GMT
<snip>
>My question is.
>The Distributor cap. the coil in cap type with the 3 prong connector and
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>And that was a pain in the a.s to do ill tell ya.!!   All that size and no
>flamin room to move!

Buy a new cap and rotor.

<snip>
>And the Engine is a V8 but Im not sure which one as such.

The VIN will tell you which engine was installed at the factory.

>Anyone else here think that the Haynes manual does not give you enough darn
>information. !! :-/

Yep, the info sucks and to top that I heard that Haynes or Clymer
bought out Chiltons.

                            ...Ron

>Regards
>WombatPPC.
--
68'RS Camaro
88'Formula
00'GT Mustang
WombatPPC-NEWS - 15 Jan 2006 16:07 GMT
Snip>
> Buy a new cap and rotor.

Does the Cap include the centre Carbon Pin. as this is worn down.
Ive fashioned one myself out of an old motor carbon brush, but its not
perfect.
I thougth it might do the trick but I guess it didnt.
Ive got a spark but i think its iregular. as the motor spins and then
disengages as though it fired.
Ive seen several verisons of cap on the market and its hard to choose the
right one.
Id like to keep it as standard as posible, without having to go down the
modding rout.
My coil is the sort with 3 wire on and 2 pin connectors the fix in the cap.
Not the sort that has pointy outputs.
Its got a circular hole at the base for the Bush and spring then the Carbon
rod pin.
Any Idea what model that is. ?

Trouble is I cant just pop it out to the local Halford to buy another
matching cap.

Regards
WombatPPC.
WombatPPC-NEWS - 15 Jan 2006 16:10 GMT
> Snip>
>> Buy a new cap and rotor.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Regards
> WombatPPC.

Ow and its actual the exact same shape at the one in the Haynes Manual.
on Page 5-5
RSCamaro - 15 Jan 2006 18:39 GMT
>Snip>
>> Buy a new cap and rotor.
>
>Does the Cap include the centre Carbon Pin. as this is worn down.
>Ive fashioned one myself out of an old motor carbon brush, but its not
>perfect.

Yes the new cap will come with the carbon pin, you should also replace
the rotor as long as you are doing the cap.  Whenever one gets
replaced then the other needs also to be replaced as they work
together as a team.  You don't just change out one tire at a time, do
you?
>I thougth it might do the trick but I guess it didnt.
>Ive got a spark but i think its iregular. as the motor spins and then
>disengages as though it fired.
>Ive seen several verisons of cap on the market and its hard to choose the
>right one.

Find an AC Delco distributor and buy the cap that works with the
Chevrolet V8 HEI (high energy ignition) that uses the coil in cap
design.

>Id like to keep it as standard as posible, without having to go down the
>modding rout.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>rod pin.
>Any Idea what model that is. ?

Check out this autozone page.  Your distributor is halfway down the
page.

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/1
a/21/2e/0900823d801a212e.jsp


Here's some pages with the parts you are looking for...

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display_id.1194/qx/product.htm
http://www.rickersauto.com/gmheidis470.html
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail.asp&autofilter=1&par
t=ACC%2D8122&N=400020+4294855357+4294908216+4294851589&autoview=sku

http://www.newircusers.com/store/rk2005_33620_Distributor_Cap_Rotor_Conrad_Cr220
1g.jsp


Good luck

                        ...Ron

>Trouble is I cant just pop it out to the local Halford to buy another
>matching cap.
>
>Regards
>WombatPPC.

--
68'RS Camaro
88'Formula
00'GT Mustang
WombatPPC-NEWS - 16 Jan 2006 12:26 GMT
Hi
Thanks for the links and info dude. Very Usefull.
I'll have to safe up for those, as im strapped for cash at the moment. Out
of work and trying to scape a living out of ebay !!
Pritty hard when you`ve run out of sh.t to sell !!  :-)

Regards
WombatPPC.

Ow and reply to the question about changing 1 tyre at a time.   Yes thats
me. Infact I just swap it over for the spare ;-)
Why spend it when you dont need to. Ow but I always make sure its the same
brand as the others though.

>>Snip>
>>> Buy a new cap and rotor.
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> 88'Formula
> 00'GT Mustang
tricky - 15 Jan 2006 20:07 GMT
Where abouts are you in the uk ?  Stateside on the A5 near atherstone would
sort you out with one.

Or check out ebay, plenty of firebirds being broke for spares all the time.

Rich

> Hi folks, Im new to this qroup.
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Regards
> WombatPPC.
WombatPPC-NEWS - 16 Jan 2006 16:09 GMT
Im In Sheffield Dude.
Pritty far away from there.

> Where abouts are you in the uk ?  Stateside on the A5 near atherstone
> would sort you out with one.
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>> Regards
>> WombatPPC.
tricky - 16 Jan 2006 17:39 GMT
I am sure they will post !

link - http://www.statesideauto.co.uk/

Rich

> Im In Sheffield Dude.
> Pritty far away from there.
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>>> Regards
>>> WombatPPC.
KITTvsKARR - 15 Jan 2006 21:49 GMT
Yeah, Haynes suck...thats why I got myself a shop manual for my Formula.
End result will be to do the same thing you are doing to your car.. well
thats the plan.. but I'm going to tear it all down and build it so I know
where there won't be any problem areas later on in life.  Then I'll start
looking into conversion parts.

-Geno
<Too lazy to insert my 3 cars here>
Clivet - 18 Jan 2006 13:47 GMT
Dead easy gettin spares in UK plenty of places try USAutomotive email
sales@usauto.co.uk

Also loads of uk based american vehicle forums try www.amvo.org one of the
busiest and got some very knowledgable guys in there when it comes to Maro's
& Fbirds

Clive
 
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