What happens if I use the longer (5.75" center of hole to center of
stud) pitman arm to replace a current 5.25" one on a '69 Firebird?
It seems they made different lengths for different ratio power steering
boxes.
Shep - 24 May 2006 22:52 GMT
You will change your steering linkage geometry, including possibly toe out
on turns and of course you must reset toe. You may also upset center link
parallelism, another important issue.
> What happens if I use the longer (5.75" center of hole to center of
> stud) pitman arm to replace a current 5.25" one on a '69 Firebird?
> It seems they made different lengths for different ratio power steering
> boxes.
RSCamaro - 24 May 2006 23:55 GMT
>What happens if I use the longer (5.75" center of hole to center of
>stud) pitman arm to replace a current 5.25" one on a '69 Firebird?
>It seems they made different lengths for different ratio power steering
>boxes.
I thought that there were only 2 myself, one for the power steering
boxes and 1 for the manual gear boxes. My Classic Industries catalog
says that there is only one power steering pitman arm. I was wrong
about there being only 2, seems that there are a few for the manual
boxes.
I went out to my 68 and measured my pitman arm. It comes out at
approximately 5-1/4" center to center. Hope it helps.
...Ron
--
68'RS Camaro
88'Formula
00'GT Mustang
RSCamaro - 24 May 2006 23:56 GMT
Sorry, I read the post wrong. Maybe I'll get it right one of these
days.
...Ron
--
68'RS Camaro
88'Formula
00'GT Mustang
Mike Romain - 25 May 2006 00:08 GMT
I believe you would need to match the idler arm up with it or the wheels
will point different directions in a turn....
Mike
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> What happens if I use the longer (5.75" center of hole to center of
> stud) pitman arm to replace a current 5.25" one on a '69 Firebird?
> It seems they made different lengths for different ratio power steering
> boxes.
Don - 25 May 2006 03:53 GMT
>What happens if I use the longer (5.75" center of hole to center of
>stud) pitman arm to replace a current 5.25" one on a '69 Firebird?
>It seems they made different lengths for different ratio power steering
>boxes.
Erratic handling due to bump steer, BAD idea. Not as bad if you
changed the idler arm also. Why do you want to do this?
If you are looking to quicken your steering you may be able to use a
quicker box. There were several different ratios.
Don
www.donsautomotive.com
hillpc@emailaccount.com - 26 May 2006 03:54 GMT
Thanks, guys. This is just a replacement for an extremely sloppy, worn
pitman arm. An outfit sent me the longer one (the only one they sell;
a reproduction) after I asked them to measure it and they told me
5.25". They must have measured stud center to hole edge instead of
hole center. I was trying to save the hassle of sending it back. It's
going back because of the warnings from you guys. I just ordered a
Moog K6151 pitman arm from Summit after Moog confirmed it was 5.25"
long. The Summit catalog, though, shows this as fitting 5 vehicles,
none of them a '69 Firebird V-8 with power steering. I've found nobody
with a pitman arm listing for this car, and I've checked more than a
few. I was even told that the reason for this is that '69 Firebirds
used a pitman arm with no ball joint on it (thus it's a non-wearing
part) and a center link with the ball on it instead. (The one I'm
working on is not such an oddball.) I came to the conclusion the Moog
K6151 matches my old one after reading the extensive webpage
http://www.pozziracing.com/camaro_steering.htm#Steering_linkage.
It's funny the range of advice I saw on this subject when I did some
more looking. Ranging from warnings like you guys gave me, to "it'll
work just fine; all the replacements are that long anyway," to "it'll
give you faster steering - a good thing."
Thanks again.