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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Firebird / July 2004

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blacky - 15 Jul 2004 03:27 GMT
Anyone ever have any success painting/dying interior plastic pieces.
Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
scratch.
Refinish King - 15 Jul 2004 04:52 GMT
PPG makes a hard plastic parts primer:

It's a yellowish clear and somewhat viscous. It actually softens up the
plastic, to accept the solvents from the paints you are going to apply.

If I may suggestion, 3-M makes a great lacquer based plastic parts primer,
but the hands down winner is a two component epoxy primer. PPG makes it in
many colors. Apply the primer, then spray the paint.

Plastic parts do not accept dyes well at all, only softer parts, like
dashboard crash pads, soft vinyl door panels and seat vinyl accept vinyl
dyes. But certain brands suck!

Marhyde is a great brand, but there isn't availability to a mixing system
anymore, only pre mixed cans of color. So, next in line is SEM Vinyl Dye,
then PPG an last but not least is NAPA's Martin Senour Vinyl dye.

All are good products, but have worked well for me in the order listed. use
PPG DX440 as a wash/pre cleaner, because it is more aggressive than the
DX330. you'll need to use the mechanic gloves made of blue nitrile rubber,
because latex will melt as you use them.All chemicals work through the pores
of the skin, and you don't want to learn the hard way what the cans have
told you the medical consequenses have been, for years!

I hope this helps?

Refinish King

> Anyone ever have any success painting/dying interior plastic pieces.
> Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
> scratch.
Jack Conley - 15 Jul 2004 16:20 GMT
i haven't tried painting any interior pieces in my car but i have painted
the plastic on my dirt bike. i went to walmart and krylon makes a paint
called fusion. its made to bond to plastic. says NOT to use primer and no
sanding either. anyway, if you apply several light coats at a time and allow
it a day or two to set up, it works great. my dirt bike is holding up really
good and even where my knees rub it isn't coming off. go check it out.

jack

> PPG makes a hard plastic parts primer:
>
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> > Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
> > scratch.
Me - 15 Jul 2004 22:22 GMT
oh yes also I don't think anyone mentioned this clean the part with TSP, Tri
Sodium Phosphate, gets rid of the armour all oils crap like that......

My 2 cents worth

> i haven't tried painting any interior pieces in my car but i have painted
> the plastic on my dirt bike. i went to walmart and krylon makes a paint
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Dennis Smith - 16 Jul 2004 03:33 GMT
>Anyone ever have any success painting/dying interior plastic pieces.
>Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
>scratch.

You must not be prepping it well enough or the plastic is too sun baked
and should be replaced.

The interior on my '71 T/A is vinyl dyed and has held up well for close
to 20,000 miles in the last four years.

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D&LBusch - 19 Jul 2004 14:01 GMT
How about this one? A friend of mine took a piece of plastic to his local
paint store and had it spectrum matched to a standard Benjamin Moore latex
paint and it worked great.  You'd never know it from the original. David

> >Anyone ever have any success painting/dying interior plastic pieces.
> >Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
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> The interior on my '71 T/A is vinyl dyed and has held up well for close
> to 20,000 miles in the last four years.
Bigjfig - 20 Jul 2004 00:54 GMT
>Subject: Re: vinyl dye
>From: "D&LBusch" dlbusch1@frontiernet.net
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>> The interior on my '71 T/A is vinyl dyed and has held up well for close
>> to 20,000 miles in the last four years.

Could have used the special plastic only paint from Krylon (It's new, I forget
the name) and been done.

I wouldn't use housepaint on a car in any form. LOL.

(Maybe to paint a nice wooden for sale sign, ok, ok :) )
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
'80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig.
'79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig
'84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going....
'80 T/A project car...
Phantom - 23 Jul 2004 08:09 GMT
I have used it with good results since the 60's. I have some made by
DupliColor in the shop right now.

>>Subject: Re: vinyl dye
>>From: "D&LBusch" dlbusch1@frontiernet.net
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>'84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going....
>'80 T/A project car...
blacky - 28 Jul 2004 15:20 GMT
Success! Thanks to all that replied.  This is the procedure that I
used.
1) cleaned all parts with TSP (tri sodium phosphate)
2) cleaned all parts with soap and water, then rinsed.
3) on the vinyl parts I used PPG's "vinyl cleaner an prep" SX1003
and on the plastic PPG's "plastic adhesion promoter" SXA1050
(apparently the key thing to remember with these products is to wipe
the parts in one direction only, to avoid seeing streak marks I
assume).  Then rinsed parts again, and allow to dry thoroughly.
4) using an air spray gun applied PPG's "elastomeric color" dye.

The dye was mixed up by my PPG dealer, I just gave him my interior
color code from the firewall tag.  I gave everything a couple of days
to set, then gave it the fingernail test.  I cant scratch this stuff
off!
Previous to this I did try Krylons fusion, and marhyde products as
some suggested.  But in my case they did not work.

Thanks again.
 

>Anyone ever have any success painting/dying interior plastic pieces.
>Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
>scratch.
lab~rat - 29 Jul 2004 15:05 GMT
>Success! Thanks to all that replied.  This is the procedure that I
>used.
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>Thanks again.
>  

No, thank you for posting what worked.  I have a job to do and I'm
saving this post for when I get around to it...
--
lab~rat  >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Phantom - 30 Jul 2004 15:42 GMT
Blacky, Thanks for that detailed account of you "fix". I'm sure others
will be helped greatly by using this approach.

>Success! Thanks to all that replied.  This is the procedure that I
>used.
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>>Any paint I have tried so far only flakes off with the lightest
>>scratch.
 
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