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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Firebird / July 2004

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Stupid dealerships.....

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KITT - 23 Jul 2004 22:49 GMT
Grr.. the dealership in town still has the same yahoo that didn't know
anything last time I was there.. anyway, I asked about the alternator
pulley.. he hiht about a thousand keys and said.. well.. its not bringing up
anything for 88.. I see a 84amp alternator.. is that it?  I was like no...
and I want the pulley not that alt... so he found a part number that he
THINKS it is.. but he still saiid well, for 165 you can get the alternator..
I said I didn't want the whole thing...  so anyway.. the part number that he
THINKS it is is 1985964  Does this help me out at all?  Grr.. I HATE
people!!!

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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

Charles Bendig - 23 Jul 2004 23:11 GMT
> Grr.. the dealership in town still has the same yahoo that didn't know
> anything last time I was there.. anyway, I asked about the alternator
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> THINKS it is is 1985964  Does this help me out at all?  Grr.. I HATE
> people!!!

Not unless you need a  pulley  for a  truck, cavalier, or corvette.

   Call the dealership manager up, and let then know what this  guy is
doing. Hell if the alternator  is in stock, he  could have grabbed one off a
shelf and given you the pulley part numbers off  of it.
Charles
KITT - 23 Jul 2004 23:51 GMT
Hmm.. I did a quick google search on the number.. and I got this site...
http://www.alternatorparts.com/pulley_size.htm
less than HALF what the dealer wanted... but you saying it wouldn't work?

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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

Bigjfig - 24 Jul 2004 01:19 GMT
>Subject: Re: Stupid dealerships.....
>From: "KITT" NemetzE@UWplatt.REMOVE.edu
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>http://www.alternatorparts.com/pulley_size.htm
>less than HALF what the dealer wanted... but you saying it wouldn't work?

See another dealer, that one is stupid. No wonder they don't sell any parts.

Half of the dealer countermen are morons and can't scratch their a.s with both
hands. I'd find that pulley in 2 seconds if I had my EDS in front of me now.

If the pulley isn't listed in the respective group #2 (which is the electrical
group for GM), then it will be in an alternator/generator chart by OEM ID #.

GM publishes charts with breakdowns of all the parts for the alternator. All
you have to know is the stamping # from the case and then it can be found in
the chart in the respective year. The pulley is one of the parts listed.

GM generally services EVERY part of the alternator, down to the screws that
hold the case together.

Find another GM dealer with a clue.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
'80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig.
'79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig
'84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
'91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
KITT - 24 Jul 2004 01:48 GMT
Hmm.. well then that pretty much takes care of 3/4 of Wisconsin... <sigh>
Whats the phrase for today?  Oh yeah.. "I hate stupid people!"

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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

Terry - 24 Jul 2004 12:53 GMT
Hey careful, I LIVE in Wisconsin! This is one of the worst places to have a
classic car
(cold, snow, few cruising spots), and finding old car parts is hard
too...I've yet to find a dealer
I'd trust either....

Terry

> Hmm.. well then that pretty much takes care of 3/4 of Wisconsin... <sigh>
> Whats the phrase for today?  Oh yeah.. "I hate stupid people!"
KITT - 24 Jul 2004 13:23 GMT
Yeah, sad huh?  <sigh>  But not much we can do about it.... and people
wonder why there is such a high loss of college grads from Wisconsin to
other states.... soon there will be another one..... ME!

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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

Bigjfig - 25 Jul 2004 03:13 GMT
>Subject: Re: Stupid dealerships.....
>From: "KITT" NemetzE@UWplatt.REMOVE.edu
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>wonder why there is such a high loss of college grads from Wisconsin to
>other states.... soon there will be another one..... ME!

Boy you live in a stupid state. LOL.  Tell them you need an ALTERNATOR PULLEY.
LOL.

Then tell the dolt to look at the alternator parts breakdown for the thing.

For Pete's sake, send me the information (OEM # on the alternator, year, make,
model, engine size, and alternator output) and I'll find the damn part and give
you the part #. LOL.

9 times out of 10 on GM vehicles, the alternator IS serviced (individual pieces
are available). There are some that are not (like the CS130 on my 89 Cavalier),
but I doubt yours is this type.

Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
'80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig.
'79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig
'84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
'91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
KITT - 25 Jul 2004 03:24 GMT
Thats the thing, I can't give you the numbers off it cause it is 200 miles
away.... All I can tell you right now is that its SUPPOSED to be for an '88
Firebird Formula 305TBI.. I say SUPPOSED to be because some of the parts on
the engine have been switched.. was told it was rebuilt, but was also told
it was a 350.. so who knows.. but on the alternator to have the pulley the
wrong size, who knows if the alternator is the right output.

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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

Bigjfig - 25 Jul 2004 15:39 GMT
>Subject: Re: Stupid dealerships.....
>From: "KITT" NemetzE@UWplatt.REMOVE.edu
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>it was a 350.. so who knows.. but on the alternator to have the pulley the
>wrong size, who knows if the alternator is the right output.

E-mail me the details and I'll have a look in the EDS Parts Imager for GM
tomorrow. I'll see what I can figure out based on what it's SUPPOSED to be.
LOL.

Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director
'80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig.
'79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig
'84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
'91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
Charles Bendig - 24 Jul 2004 05:17 GMT
> Hmm.. I did a quick google search on the number.. and I got this site...
> http://www.alternatorparts.com/pulley_size.htm
> less than HALF what the dealer wanted... but you saying it wouldn't work?

   Yea I cross referanced the part number. Fits trucks, up to current, back
to the 80's.  Fit's  a few year of 'Vette's, 2.8 W-cars, Vans, Caprice
Classics, J-cars,  no  F-bodies.

   The site I  looked on  doesn't list a pulley for  a 88 or a 92  even.
Yet If I had the part numbers, I could probably  cross referance it.

   One  thing to do is to ask the   guy at the dealer's  parts counter to
look  up the car, with the  engine vin  diget.  Then ask him to go to a
alternator exploded view. Then ask  him  to swivel the monitor so you  can
see it.  Then point  to the pulley and ask   him to pull up the part number.

   If he's an a.s,  walk stright  to the dealer  mangers office, let  him
know. If he's an a.s, file a complaint  with GM. Those parts counters  are
there to sell YOU parts. GM wants you to go  in and purchase parts for your
cars there. Hence the decals "Keep your GM all GM with AC-Delco".
Charles
KITT - 24 Jul 2004 20:55 GMT
Ok, I swent to the dealership in Dubuque today... told him what I needed..
he said.. for 88?  I said yeah, he said "there is only one choice... you got
your belt idler and your fan and water pump.. so you need the one with the
water pump.. I don't have it in stock, but the closest one is in Madison"
He printed me off a sheet of it.. with the part number and price.. they want
$39.89 for the "Pulley, Fan & W/Pump" Part #10055880  Does that one make
more sense?

-Confused in Wisconsin
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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

Charles Bendig - 25 Jul 2004 00:05 GMT
> Ok, I swent to the dealership in Dubuque today... told him what I needed..
> he said.. for 88?  I said yeah, he said "there is only one choice... you got
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> -Confused in Wisconsin

   Not only  does  that part  number not come up,  but  a water   pump
pulley will not  do you a bit  of good.

   You need an alternator  pully.
Charles
KITT - 25 Jul 2004 00:54 GMT
Oh geeze.. looking at the top now.. it says "Cooling system-grille-oil
system"  Ok, So that takes Iowa out of the knowledgable dealerships too.  I
am almost to the point of saying f.ck it, and ripping it apart now and not
have to woorry about it.  Which blows, because I will want to drive it
atleast one more time before it goes under the knife.. or wrench in this
case.

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Well catch ya later,
-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon...
(Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...)

SBlackfoot - 24 Jul 2004 04:34 GMT
> Grr.. I HATE people!!!

You too eh?
 
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